Labour leadership

[SpookyFrank]

I never had him down as that right-wing, but....you never know with these rich slebs.

They've split up anyway as it turns out.

 

[brogdale]

They've split up anyway as it turns out.

Oh...well.

 

[nino_savatte]

Going by that Powerbase article, Pollard has been on the Blairite wing of Labour, maybe not always a Tory.

In the postmodernist scheme of things, there is little if any difference between the two. The boundaries between them dissolved. This is further reinforced by Osborne's claim that the Tories are "progressive" and the "workers' party".

 

[nino_savatte]

I see Cooper and Burnham have claimed Corbyn "lacks credibility". This coming from two Labour MPs who went through the aye lobby to vote with the government on the benefit cap, and who abstained on the Welfare Bill. No class, no style.

 

[killer b]

Strictly roots.

 

[nino_savatte]

More pathetic flailing from The Guardian (apols if has been linked to before).

Cooper has taken on Corbyn, gloves off. Could this be a knockout blow?



and again: "there have been few personal attacks on this well-liked and thoroughly authentic MP"

From Polly Toynbee - her love of 'last chances' shows again with the last chance for labour voters this time, again.

Pollee doesn't take in much boxing, does she?

 

[two sheds]

The lesson for me of the Post-war Social Contract was that the way to reduce the benefits bill is to bring unemployment down by providing proper jobs for people.

There's loads of things that could be done to improve peoples' lives. Pay a living wage for however many hours dole + housing benefit works out for people to do something constructive.

 

[Favelado]

Strictly roots.

 

[newbie]

Labour needs a major shake up and a Corbyn win will surely give it that. No idea if he can win the 2020 election, but the opportunity for Labour to actually provide some real opposition to the Tory twats over the next few years is the main reason I am hoping for a Corbyn victory.

If, as I've seen suggested somewhere, Corbyn is thinking in terms of being a temporary leader and planning to step down to allow someone else to fight the next GE, Burnham could yet be in with a chance of the leadership. .

the coalition shackled the prime minister with 5 year fixed term parliaments, hence 2020. Cameron is in a position to overturn that if he wants to, and I can think of very few reasons why he wouldn't want to, for centuries the power to call snap elections has been a key piece of the pms personal power. He's already positioning for some sort of parliamentary reform, focused on the HoL, a handy vehicle to slip in clause 14(i)(iii) to rid him of the FTPA without much fuss. The only real caveat is that he's said he won't lead the tories into a third election, but circumstances....

So there's doubts about a strategy based on Corbyn revitalising the LP as leader of the opposition, but explicitly keeping the seat warm for a new leader, a putative election winner like Burnham or whoever, someone able to distance themselves from him (and the fallout from some years of rw press attacks) and regain the ever popular center ground. If Corbyn lasts that long a LP leadership election (under what rules? ) would have to take place in 2018/9 to give a new leader a chance to emded themselves before 2020, and there's a good chance it'll be as divisive as this one.

Gideon can point the economy towards May 2018, just as Labour siblingcide is at its height. (GE in 2018 is 9/1 on Paddypower atm, for anyone thinking there's a shred of credibility about any of this).

 

[Diamond]

Corbyn doesn't even want to be the Labour leader ffs!

The whole thing is a farce.

He thought that he could nudge the victor leftwards by tacking hard left and now he's become the prospective victor and will finally have to take responsibility for his "convictions" on the decks of a sinking ship.

 

[andysays]

the coalition shackled the prime minister with 5 year fixed term parliaments, hence 2020. Cameron is in a position to overturn that if he wants to, and I can think of very few reasons why he wouldn't want to, for centuries the power to call snap elections has been a key piece of the pms personal power. He's already positioning for some sort of parliamentary reform, focused on the HoL, a handy vehicle to slip in clause 14(i)(iii) to rid him of the FTPA without much fuss. The only real caveat is that he's said he won't lead the tories into a third election, but circumstances....

So there's doubts about a strategy based on Corbyn revitalising the LP as leader of the opposition, but explicitly keeping the seat warm for a new leader, a putative election winner like Burnham or whoever, someone able to distance themselves from him (and the fallout from some years of rw press attacks) and regain the ever popular center ground. If Corbyn lasts that long a LP leadership election (under what rules? ) would have to take place in 2018/9 to give a new leader a chance to emded themselves before 2020, and there's a good chance it'll be as divisive as this one.

Gideon can point the economy towards May 2018, just as Labour siblingcide is at its height. (GE in 2018 is 9/1 on Paddypower atm, for anyone thinking there's a shred of credibility about any of this).

I accept that all of this is plausible - I wasn't making a prediction that Labour will have Burnham as leader when they next fight an election, merely musing that he still has some chance in that direction whereas the other two seem to have burnt their bridges.

But even a week is a long time in politics

 

[treelover]

Yes all the Corbyn hate mail from within the Labour party is handing ready-made quotes to the tories come election time.

This is what happens in the U.S primaries, they take each other apart and are often damaged when the winner takes office

 

[frogwoman]

Tbh i dont think labour are winning next time no matter who wins it. I wouldnt trust any of them to run a bath and the level of personal venom thats being traded is unbelievable. If theres one thing voters hate its a divided party.


And i dont think the fact they're not winning next time is necessarily a bad thing either.

 

[Santino]

Corbyn doesn't even want to be the Labour leader ffs!

The whole thing is a farce.

He thought that he could nudge the victor leftwards by tacking hard left and now he's become the prospective victor and will finally have to take responsibility for his "convictions" on the decks of a sinking ship.

'hard left'

 

[Fozzie Bear]

 

[frogwoman]

They've fucked it whoever wins.

 

[killer b]

Why would anyone bother predicting what might happen at an election in 5 years? 5 weeks ago corbyn didn't stand a chance, today its the scale of his victory rather than the fact of it that we're waiting to find out. 5 years is a long time, and there's lots can change. Best wait and see.

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah, most of my predictions turn out to be wrong tbh

 

[chilango]

Why would anyone bother predicting what might happen at an election in 5 years? 5 weeks ago corbyn didn't stand a chance, today its the scale of his victory rather than the fact of it that we're waiting to find out. 5 years is a long time, and there's lots can change. Best wait and see.

Cos if we all just shrugged our shoulders and admitted we haven't got a clue, threads on Urban would be very short and boring.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Why would anyone bother predicting what might happen at an election in 5 years? 5 weeks ago corbyn didn't stand a chance, today its the scale of his victory rather than the fact of it that we're waiting to find out. 5 years is a long time, and there's lots can change. Best wait and see.

Well, I'm going to stick my neck out and say it's not going to be Liz Kendall winning it.

 

[campanula]

I confess - I cheerfully stumped up my £3 just to add to the general glee.

If nothing else, the three nitwits just look so appalling - shiny, shiny faces and Burnham's eyebrows (shudder) - they seem to have slipped down the side of his face...plus there is a startling resemblance to those 'moppet' pics popular in Woolworths, circa 1960 - he just needs a little teardrop for the sad puppy look to be complete.
I have not had so much enjoyment (on the party political front) in years.

 

[nino_savatte]

Corbyn doesn't even want to be the Labour leader ffs!

The whole thing is a farce.

He thought that he could nudge the victor leftwards by tacking hard left and now he's become the prospective victor and will finally have to take responsibility for his "convictions" on the decks of a sinking ship.

I don't buy any of this. This is just the same as the milder stuff found in the Tory press and forced through the Urban75 filter.

 

[marty21]

Corbyn doesn't even want to be the Labour leader ffs!

The whole thing is a farce.

He thought that he could nudge the victor leftwards by tacking hard left and now he's become the prospective victor and will finally have to take responsibility for his "convictions" on the decks of a sinking ship.

Maybe when he decided to run he was just 'having a punt ' but I'd say given his support he'd quite fancy the gig now

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't buy any of this. This is just the same as the milder stuff found in the Tory press and forced through the Urban75 filter.

it's diamond, no one buys it. sadly he insists on giving it away.

 

[killer b]

Cos if we all just shrugged our shoulders and admitted we haven't got a clue, threads on Urban would be very short and boring.

Fair enoough - but the whole labour can't win the next election whatever! a generation of tory rule! stuff is just buying into the narrative the rightwing media are pushing - that a shambolic party at war with itself under Corbyn would be the automatic result of a Corbyn win. Considering what's happened so far in this election, that's far from certain to be what happens.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why would anyone bother predicting what might happen at an election in 5 years? 5 weeks ago corbyn didn't stand a chance, today its the scale of his victory rather than the fact of it that we're waiting to find out. 5 years is a long time, and there's lots can change. Best wait and see.

it is not the urban way

 

[Pickman's model]

They've fucked it whoever wins.

the death of a great british institution

what will its obituary be? will it be the likes of clement attlee and the foundation of the nhs or will it be clement attlee and the half-arsed partition of india which led to the death of more than a million people?

 

[agricola]

Fair enoough - but the whole labour can't win the next election whatever! a generation of tory rule! stuff is just buying into the narrative the rightwing media are pushing - that a shambolic party at war with itself under Corbyn would be the automatic result of a Corbyn win. Considering what's happened so far in this election, that's far from certain to be what happens.

That is the one thing that can be guaranteed to happen, though - if Corbyn does win, the weaselry in the PLP will immediately try to depose him.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm suggesting that it would probably be the result under a burnham or kendall win as well. You can't fling that sort of abuse around publically against fellow contenders and come back easily from it.

 

[frogwoman]

the death of a great british institution

what will its obituary be? will it be the likes of clement attlee and the foundation of the nhs or will it be clement attlee and the half-arsed partition of india which led to the death of more than a million people?

Tony Blair gets his legacy at last