Labour leadership

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

If you can't even inspire your own party, how on Earth are you going to inspire the unconvinced?

1. Elect Blairite Leader

2. ?????

3. Profit!

 

[Diamond]

If you can't even inspire your own party, how on Earth are you going to inspire the unconvinced?

I can think of plenty of party leaders who have managed to inspire their own party while failing to inspire the "unconvinced", thereby leading them into the electoral wilderness...

 

[Rob Ray]

Can you think of any who didn't inspire their own faithful but did inspire the wider electorate though?

 

[weltweit]

Interesting poll in the Telegraph suggesting voters want Corbyn to win the leadership contest but think Burnham would be most likely to win the next election:

The poll that proves Labour is a suicidal party
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...l-that-proves-Labour-is-a-suicidal-party.html

 

[kabbes]

Stella Creasey was in the year below me at my college. I feel properly establishment now.

 

[killer b]

Its just a spin on the poll that's already been mentioned today, not a new one.

 

[Pickman's model]

only one month to go

 

[kabbes]

Interesting poll in the Telegraph suggesting voters want Corbyn to win the leadership contest but think Burnham would be most likely to win the next election:

The poll that proves Labour is a suicidal party
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...l-that-proves-Labour-is-a-suicidal-party.html

Of those voting for Corbyn, 19% think he won't win the election. Of those voting for Burnham, 11% think he won't win the election. The rest are in between.

Basically, about 15% of Labour supporters think they won't win the election regardless of who is leader. That's all the stats mean on that question. There's no "suicide" involved. They're probably right too.

 

[frogwoman]

Yep, theres a good chance labour will lose now no matter who the next leader is.

 

[DotCommunist]

the telegraph have been coming up with some right old bollocks around this- that article on watson and browns 'political assasin' for instance. You had the author claiming Tom the loyalist would be a foil to Corbyn who is happy to tear the party asunder. When he's actually stated his labour loyalism many many times. And won 8 elections for them.

 

[free spirit]

thinking about it, I doubt they'd win the election outright whoever was in charge, but then I'd prefer to see a minority labour government supported by SNP, Plaid, Green etc and I think that's doable with Corbyn as leader, and that Corbyn could actually work effectively in that way with the other parties.

 

[DotCommunist]

only one month to go

and miles to go before we sleep

 

[Pickman's model]

and miles to go before we sleep

are we nearly there yet?

 

[belboid]

Ken Loach tried to sign up to vote What a prick

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33868771

 

[Indeliblelink]

Labour said verification checks would continue even once votes had been cast.

sounds rather dodgy, we know whose votes they'll be looking at closely

 

[brogdale]

Stella Creasey was in the year below me at my college. I feel properly establishment now.

Magdalene?

 

[kabbes]

Magdalene?

That's the one.

 

[brogdale]

That's the one.

Then I presume that La Creasey would be the only politico that coincided with your time at college, then?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Seen this? Juliar Hartley Brewer pleads with the public to join labour to stop Comrade Jez

Join Labour now! Save Britain from Jeremy Corbyn
http://www.capx.co/join-labour-now-save-britain-from-jeremy-corbyn/

Right wing entryism ahoy. Cant quite see this taking off.

 

[kabbes]

Then I presume that La Creasey would be the only politico that coincided with your time at college, then?

The only one I know of, anyway. Other alumni that have been in public view coinciding with my time there, though, included the winner of the Apprentice a few years back (two years below me) and that toff adventurer who died a few months back (my year). Make of that what you will

 

[agricola]

thinking about it, I doubt they'd win the election outright whoever was in charge, but then I'd prefer to see a minority labour government supported by SNP, Plaid, Green etc and I think that's doable with Corbyn as leader, and that Corbyn could actually work effectively in that way with the other parties.

TBH if the Chilcot Report is in any way an honest look at things (and the ongoing delays would tend to suggest that it is at least a bit honest), then having Corbyn as leader is probably the only way that they would have a chance of winning it outright. I doubt the SNP would be any part of any subsequent government though, a Corbyn-led Labour would probably look to give the Nats a revenge kicking.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Desperation. The ABC campaign has produced this -

 

[Wilf]

By that logic Dali could never be accepted as a member.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

https://networkforanimals.org/uk-labour-leadership-candidates-their-perspectives-on-animal-welfare/

 

[treelover]

This was worth a read:

http://dougald.nu/labour-through-th...rly-morning-speculations-on-the-corbyn-surge/

if only for

"if Blair and Brown had been the Gallagher brothers of Brit Pop politics, the current Labour frontbench was a dodgy Oasis tribute act. The tunes might be the same, only if you thought they were going to wow an audience, you hadn’t really grasped how this works."

Dougald lives in Sweden now

 

[Rob Ray]

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Fixed.

 

[Kaka Tim]

The Daily Mash's take on the joke candidate -

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...all-losing-faith-in-aspiration-20150812101013

Kendall, tenaciously fighting for last place in a field of unparalleled unpopularity, has always firmly believed in the power of aspiration and hard work but is now wondering if she was an idiot all along.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Dougald lives in Sweden now

Cheers treelover - there's some insightful stuff in there. I think hes right when he says this is a spontaneous movement that has seized the opportunity to "occupy" the labour party.

 

[billy_bob]

Desperation. The ABC campaign has produced this -

21 out of those 31 years were post Blair's election as leader. So "at least two-thirds Tory" is perfectly plausible.

 

[teqniq]

A party of enemies has no future. Labour’s left and right need to go their separate ways.