Labour leadership
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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For Labour members, the fundamental questions now that confront them are these. Is it your dream to tramp from doorstep to doorstep campaigning to advance the career of some PPE mediocrity who holds your politics and your principles in something approaching contempt?
YouSir
Retired from Urban
It starts with a look. Then a double take. Then a smile. A moment to work up the confidence and then they come over. Tessa cannot leave the house without meeting new people who want to say hello. I have seen this a hundred times, and believe me it’s not normal – no other politician inspires such warmth.
Tessa is a star. She is Labour’s Kylie - everyone loves her and she only needs a first name. She has a remarkable way with people that generates real affection. But that’s not why I’m backing her to be Mayor.
I backed Tessa right from the start because she has the right values to make London a fairer place to live. Through Sure Start and the Olympics she has a record of delivery that is second to none, and I know she can beat the Tories.
And today, I’m more sure than ever. But it’s not just because the opinion polls show she’s the only candidate who can beat the Tories – though they do and by a country mile. It’s because she has set out a genuinely compelling vision.
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Alan and Tessa sitting in a tree... Part of the Labour registered supporter spam. Bizarrely enough the comparison to a pint sized Australian popstar with a famous arse hasn't won me over.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
does anyone give a flying fuck what gordon brown says these days? #bunchoflickspittles
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Very good stuff - gets to the nub of the issues very clearly and nails the pointlessness of carrying on with the blairites.
It is fun reading earlier in the thread when people are being all condescending to me and other supporters like "oh you are so naive to think that Jeremy Corbyn has the slightest chance of being leader, he'll be forgotten about in a few days". it is even more fun to see the increasing pitch of desperation in the press haaaa. throwing everything against him and it is just bouncing harmlessly off.
Steel Icarus
maybe I'm a maze
I bet he's not the lowest-ranked PLP member to have exactly this view.
teqniq
DisMembered
Proper scumbag.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I just had to share this. This interview on the Marr Show took place before Corbyn entered the contest. It was Cooper who'd originally accused Kendall of "swallowing" the Tory election manifesto. For her part, Kendall repeats line after line of the Tory 'welfare' mantra, which she's internalised to such an extent that it's become natural to her.
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Deadline extended till 3pm after Labour's website crashes - http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ip-vote-registration-deadline-website-crashes
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Can't remember whether I replied to you personally along those lines, but I certainly didn't think he'd win (still not convinced, but it's obviously a very real possibility). What I do think is interesting is the apparent tens of thousands willing to sign up for a kind of anti-austerity position in corbyn, but not willing to become regularly active in anti-austerity politics/activism (in the sense that whilst the odd London demo can get tens of thousands, there aren't anything like that many beavering away on weekly basis). I'm not dismissing the corbyn 'surge' as a 'protest vote' - it's real and reflects a genuine despair about new lab dominance + the general election result. However I'm not convinced it can transform the party.
Steel Icarus
maybe I'm a maze
Oh god, I'm two minutes in and cringing like all get-out. I think the word "fiscal credibility" was the final thing that almost made me lose my lunch.
" who all want to be tory lite
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Good to see Marr up and about after his stroke but I didn't realise how much control he has lost on his left hand side. I understand he has been using a leg buzzer device thingy. Also it was my understanding that he was pretty fit before the stroke which makes me wonder if it can happen to him what about the rest of us?
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I keep expecting Kendall to step down (after a private conversation with ABC Labour bigwigs) in order to send more first pref. votes to Cooper and Burnham. Still time I guess...
Steel Icarus
maybe I'm a maze
everyone's different. my grandda* smoked 90 a day til he was 86 etc, my vegan athlete mate* had a brain haemorrhage at 23
*fictional
andysays
Love and solidarity
But that still leaves the question of whether the non-Blairites will decide to leave and form a new party. There are two obvious reasons why I don't think they will
- many of them are still convinced the party can be transformed, and the level of support Corbyn is getting is encouraging them in this belief
- were they to leave, they would have to abandon the Labour name (and the bulk of the financial support from the unions) to the Blairites
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
If anyones going to leave its the Blairites. Labour conference is going to be ... interesting.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Neil kinnock who lost the election disastrously
No. Neil Kinnock who got rid of Militant. A far more important victory obvs.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Are you suggesting they'll be kicked out or that they'll leave voluntarily?
What mechanism does the conference have to deal with Blairite MPs?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Why? Are you going to throw hope at them until they relinquish their death-grip on the PLP, internal levers of power, privileged media access etc? I mean good-oh if it happens, it'd be exceedingly funny to watch, but I don't see where the leverage is to get them to leave rather than just spend 12 months putting together a marvellously-constructed coffin for Corbyn lined with anonymous briefings and nailed down by 200-odd MPs who can't wait to see the back of him.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
corbyn will challenge them all to trial by combat.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He's cut his own throat if Corbyn wins, given that the constitution of the Labour party deliberately prohibits that kind of thing.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Im not saying they will leave - but there is going to be a battle for the labour party - Corbyn plus most of the membership vs the blairites. The unknown will be how the bulk of PLP repsond. Some will knuckle down. Some will look for advancement by working with the new power structure (they are polticians after all). Some will not look at all kindly on the likes of Danczuk shit stirring. Leading Blarites - Chucka, Kendal, Tarquin-Hunt etc - may decide to bide their time or they may decide its a lost cause and take their 'talents' elsewhere. Dunno - lots of variables.
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