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they should hold webinar hustings and stock the chat room box with millions of sock puppets

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Actaully - yeah - whos best to vote for in the deputy elections? Not Caroline Flint is about as far I know.
Stella Creasy. A decent campaigner and organiser (which is the basis on which Watson is winning) but a bit better politically. hardly brilliant, but better than the other shower of shite.

"Labour is on your side – the Lib Dems are on the side of failed asylum seekers." - that's from an old Tom Watson election leaflet, by the way
 
This won't go down well with the Bliarites. :D

"He is reviled by many in the party, and his supporters are in decline as a new generation of Labour MPs has entered Parliament, rejecting Mr Blair and the way he tried to rid their party of its left-wing elements."

"Rather, it has been his contacts with regimes and individuals of questionable morality, and his money-making activities and his homes, all of which have been regularly aired by a profoundly suspicious press, that seem to have caused the damage.

Members of the Labour Party cannot understand why it is necessary for their former leader to make so much money and to be travelling the world in private jets."

In full

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33849764
 
This won't go down well with the Bliarites. :D

"He is reviled by many in the party, and his supporters are in decline as a new generation of Labour MPs has entered Parliament, rejecting Mr Blair and the way he tried to rid their party of its left-wing elements."

In full

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33849764

Do they care? Genuine question as I don't pay enough attention to know - do the right-wingers in the Labour party who're always described as 'Blairites' actually give a shit about him as an individual?
 
Do they care? Genuine question as I don't pay enough attention to know - do the right-wingers in the Labour party who're always described as 'Blairites' actually give a shit about him as an individual?
In my experience, yes. Many of them genuinely see him as a heroic figure.
 
Enough to disinter him for a round of Wot I Fink About Jezza, not enough to defend him when people call him a war criminal.
not the best of moves- for anyone paying attention to him and wavering hearing him admit that 'even if we could win on a left platform I wouldn't want to' must have made a few minds up. he was confirming what we all know, they'd rather be in opposition than be led from the left. For all the talk of how corbyn is the Wrecker, they've all flat out admitted they'd rather tank the party electorally than have him in.
 
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In my experience, yes. Many of them genuinely see him as a heroic figure.
yup, those Kendalites - the 10% - still think the sun shines our of his arse. Iraq was all worth it, and Kazakhstan? Well, its only a job, innit? Look what a good job he made out of bringing Gadaffi in from the cold
 
not the best of moves

Oh God yes, tactically the whole thing was a hilarious misreading of public opinion and an unintentional expose of how utterly cack-handed the Blairite leadership is now their old guard have retired. If they're had any nous they should have told Blair to salute Corbyn's indefatigability and ask a few general questions about how the old chap intends to defy the markets without emptying the City, causing massive capital flight and tanking British bonds.
 
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yup, those Kendalites - the 10% - still think the sun shines our of his arse. Iraq was all worth it, and Kazakhstan? Well, its only a job, innit? Look what a good job he made out of bringing Gadaffi in from the cold

More disturbingly to me are thee 'soft' Blairites who say things like 'okay in retrospect the Iraq War wasn't the best idea but it wasn't a war crime/at least we got rid of Saddam/you left-wing purists need to get over it' etc
 
More disturbingly to me are thee 'soft' Blairites who say things like 'okay in retrospect the Iraq War wasn't the best idea but it wasn't a war crime/at least we got rid of Saddam/you left-wing purists need to get over it' etc

'Labour only did all that bad war crime stuff because of Blair and it wasn't that bad anyway'
 
But the obvious point is that there are two elections going on here.

First, the election to Labour leadership which is dependent on the Labour franchise.

Second, the general election to Prime Minister which is dependent on the UK franchise.

They are quite different things.
If you can't even inspire your own party, how on Earth are you going to inspire the unconvinced?
 
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