gimesumtruf
pedant fodder
If Blairites don't back Corbyn, then they'll lose voters overall. The trend toward a politically apathetic public will continue.
Labour leadership
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Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Even in the midst of Corbyn-mania and with the £3ers and unions backing him he's only 53% first preference at best, in terms of Labour's remaining long-time activists, the ones who actually go to CLP meetings every month, I'd be very surprised if he had anywhere near a majority in his camp once the dust has cleared. The PLP will be well aware of this, in fact it's one reason they're so furious and bleating about entryism all the time. Unless something really significant changes, they're not going to gamble their careers that Corbyn will pull a miracle out of his hat and reform the party entire.
You say that as though they'd mind - hell after the fiasco of the last month they'd welcome the return to undisputed PLP control that renewed apathy offers.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
But there is a lot of support for JC amongst the existing membership - as born out by the polls and his lead in CLP nominations. For the rest of the membership, we don't know if they are implacably opposed to Corbyn or just playing safe - Im guessing its more the latter. I cant see the arch-Blairites having much support amongst the rank and file.
It may be that Cooper, burnham, Jowell, Benn, Reeves and the rest of the biege-ocracy are more likely to go with the prevailing political wind than rock the boat. I'd lay money that will see a few of them suddenly become born again Corbynites if it looked good for their careers.
Intersting that Ed Milliband has not uttered a peep about the leadership. I wonder if hes laughing or crying into his bacon sandwich?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
he has (according to that one poll) 50% of those labour members who were members before Miliband took over - and even a fair few of his opponents will be sympathetic.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and this is all we will be talking about for the next four weeks 
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but their civil wars don't live up to the billing
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
short of any major disaster or shocking revelations, it looks likely.and this is all we will be talking about for the next four weeks
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i expect both are guaranteed tho.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
250000 registered since May.1800 expulsions for being in other parties. That's 0.72%
So the panic about mass "infiltation" was inflated by who, and with what purpose?
So the panic about mass "infiltation" was inflated by who, and with what purpose?
teqniq
DisMembered
Nearly missed this from yesterday: Shock horror! The Graun publishes a pro-Corbyn article by John McDonnell
Jeremy Corbyn would clear the deficit – but not by hitting the poor
Jeremy Corbyn would clear the deficit – but not by hitting the poor
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Plumdaff
joy in people
Should he win, it'll be interesting to see how many supporters he can get to sign up as actual CLP attending members. Mind you the internal democracy of the party is so decrepit it probably wouldn't matter, it could put a lot of pressure on local MPS though.
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Zabo
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Ecky Thump! As they say up here. Obviously still a poorly man since his recent bout of depression, marriage break up and withdrawal from the child sex abuse enquiries.
"He said he was "getting angry at stuff I shouldn't be getting angry at, fairly mundane things" and becoming "aggressive - not violently aggressive - but getting angry about things".
"With the polls showing Jeremy Corbyn streets ahead in the Labour leadership contest, Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk caused outrage following an interview on LBC in which he suggested the democratic vote of Labour members in their choice of the new party leader should effectively be ignored.
He said: "...that the leadership race had been badly organised and described it as 'not even tenable... we're moving towards a position where [re-running] it is necessary'."
One local critic, Paul Mitchell, took to social media to mock Mr Danczuk posting: "Ah bless Simon Danczuk doesn't like democracy and prefers a coup! Good grief. This is Britain not North Korea idiot. One member, one vote."
Addressing Mr Danczuk, Jill Rowe said: "You're a disgrace to the Labour Party and so is anyone else who plots a coup against any democratically elected leader."
Dave Robinson was one of a number of Labour party members who said they would leave if a coup took place: "So Simon Danczuk thinks we should overthrow the democratically elected leader of the Labour party? I'd leave in a heartbeat if that happened."
Mr Danczuk nailed his colours to the mast of the Blairite MP Liz Kendall very early in the leadership campaign and the polls show he has backed the candidate currently trailing in last place."
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/new...-should-subvert-democratically-elected-leader
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/new...829/simon-danczuk-seeking-help-for-depression
Rochdale I'd imagine
Zabo
Well-Known Member
Yes, Rochdale.
Here's his nomination for Kendall Mints.
I'll give him Urban's compliments if and when I move there.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/who-nominated-who-2015-labour-leadership-election
Here's his nomination for Kendall Mints.
I'll give him Urban's compliments if and when I move there.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/who-nominated-who-2015-labour-leadership-election
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
390 CLP's are listed as having nominated, which leaves 243 or so who haven't bothered - or only did so after that article came out (only two of the five Sheffield parties are listed, for example)
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
no it didnt. It said it had 610,753 eligible voters, around a half of whom are members
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Meanwhile, across the pond Bernie Sanders is packing out stadia to scores of thousands. These trots are everywhere.
Ole
Well-Known Member
That's interesting, since Sky News just last week estimated there were 390,000 eligible voters (270,000 members / 70,000 affiliated supporters / 50,000 £3 sign-ups). As I suspected then, they obviously massively underestimated the number of affiliated supporters through trade unions. McCluskey was saying back in July that Unite alone had already signed up 50,000 registered supporters. There must also have been a large surge of £3 supporters signed up in the last week.
Blair getting desperate and inadvertently doing his best to help to Corbyn campaign again...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...annihilation-if-jeremy-corbyn-wins-leadership
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...annihilation-if-jeremy-corbyn-wins-leadership
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
As I said earlier, the amount of post May applicants expelled for being in other parties is 0.72%
The stuff about "entryism" is mildy interesting, if predictable, silly season fodder.
To have blown it up into some major trot threat to party democracy is yet another wanton fabrication which the tory and establishment press are happy to believe and perpetuate as if true. Perhaps people can judge for themselves the siginicance of so many in the party behaving the same way.
The stuff about "entryism" is mildy interesting, if predictable, silly season fodder.
To have blown it up into some major trot threat to party democracy is yet another wanton fabrication which the tory and establishment press are happy to believe and perpetuate as if true. Perhaps people can judge for themselves the siginicance of so many in the party behaving the same way.
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