Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[killer b]

Really? There are vast numbers of complaints about people 'bullying', eg, Berger by doing nothing more than calling her a zionist.

on this board?

 

[killer b]

Oh I see.

I don't think many people here think those attacking Labour over antisemitism are doing good politics. Indeed, the wagon circling & denial we've seen as a result of the attacks vindicates those who criticised the SWP and the like for using these tactics.

 

[Shechemite]

not in my experience of it, no. I wholly accept my experience is limited, but I haven't seen anything beyond the usual folk who call anyone to the right of Blair a nazi. treelover would have more knowledge of the local scene, I don't know if he has seen any such evidence.

I’ve provided evidence of this in the post below the one you’ve quoted. Further to this, from your friends at GJ



And another one: Stock Photo - Roy Bard of Mental Health Resistance Network makes a Nazi salute to show his opinion of forced back to work treatment for mental health sufferers to be given in the new

Also Roy Bard


And Tony Gosling:




Gosling’s antisemitism is no secret

 

[belboid]

Oh I see.

I don't think many people here think those attacking Labour over antisemitism are doing good politics. Indeed, the wagon circling & denial we've seen as a result of the attacks vindicates those who criticised the SWP and the like for using these tactics.

Precisely.

We haven't really done individual cases on here, except for the very few 'famous' ones, in no small part because we cant tell if a random SM post is part of a more general viewpoint of that person, or even if its genuine. But we cant really talk about the extent of AS within the LP without recognising that many of the complaints are so limited in scope.

 

[belboid]

I’ve provided evidence of this in the post below the one you’ve quoted. Further to this, from your friends at GJ

<snip>

You quoted one person who is in the Labour Party.

Now you're including Tony fucking Gosling? A far-right cunt who everyone knows is a far-right cunt? Ands some loon from the anti-psychiatry movement, a movement that was, while having some good and valid points to make, incredibly fucked up and all over the shop. I'm not really sure what you think this proves, especially in relation to AS in the Labour Party.

 

[Shechemite]

You quoted one person who is in the Labour Party.

Now you're including Tony fucking Gosling? A far-right cunt who everyone knows is a far-right cunt? Ands some loon from the anti-psychiatry movement, a movement that was, while having some good and valid points to make, incredibly fucked up and all over the shop. I'm not really sure what you think this proves, especially in relation to AS in the Labour Party.

You brought up the Arbeit mach Frei slogan, and how it’s used by the disability movement. I’ve shown you how the use of such rhetoric isn’t just daft, but functions to normalise antisemitism.

Oh and Bard isn’t an antipsychiatrist

 

[Shechemite]

DPAC are courted by the Labour Party and campaign for a corbyn government.

If the LP is serious about tackling antisemitism, they (amongst other things) need to act sharpish in providing training and support to disablilty groups in identifying antisemitism, and they need to make it very clear that they won’t work with groups that tolerate antisemitism

 

[belboid]

You brought up the Arbeit mach Frei slogan, and how it’s used by the disability movement. I’ve shown you how the use of such rhetoric isn’t just daft, but functions to normalise antisemitism.

Oh and Bard isn’t an antipsychiatrist

I think you'd need to do more than quote a couple of loons (one of whom is a well known fascist) to show such usage is done to normalise AS. I mean, IDS did actually say "work actually helps free people" so you can see why that was picked up!

 

[Shechemite]

And yet antisemites get a free pass in such movements (and like you say, it’s not your ‘scene’ so you don’t be having to deal with this endlessly)

 

[Shechemite]

Williamson suspended from the LP

 

[killer b]

Williamson has been suspended after not-being-suspended this afternoon. Tactical genius from the Corbyn camp there.

 

[danny la rouge]

Clear, decisive message.

 

[Shechemite]

Owen Jones popping his head above the parapet after the battle has finished

 

[killer b]

Owen Jones popping his head above the parapet after the battle has finished

I don't think so, he wrote a long thread about it this afternoon.

If you must give us hourly updates about what's happening on twitter, at least try and make them accurate.

 

[belboid]

Owen Jones popping his head above the parapet after the battle has finished

he's been criticising Williamson all day

 

[Shechemite]

I don't think so, he wrote a long thread about it this afternoon.

If you must give us hourly updates about what's happening on twitter, at least try and make them accurate.

Ah so Jones was calling for his suspension before the decision was reached? Accuracy and all

 

[Shechemite]

(He wasn’t, but yeah he was *criticising* him)

 

[killer b]

Ah so Jones was calling for his suspension before the decision was reached? Accuracy and all

I don't know - you didn't say that though. You said he had his head below the parapet when pretty much all he's posted about is antisemitism all day, while hundreds of cranks fill his mentions with bile. You can hardly say he's been silent on the topic, or avoiding taking the flak.

 

[Shechemite]

Jones said suspending Williamson was the right thing - after Williamson was suspended, and having spent all day er not calling for Williamson’s suspension (hence my ‘parapet’ comment)

 

[belboid]

Jones said suspending Williamson was the right thing - after Williamson was suspended, and having spent all day er not calling for Williamson’s suspension (hence my ‘parapet’ comment)

same parapet as you then, as you didn't explicitly call for Williamson to be suspended either.

 

[Shechemite]

same parapet as you then, as you didn't explicitly call for Williamson to be suspended either.

You’re mental

Although tbf, your comment here is no less daft then your claim I was ‘doing almost exactly the same thing’ as calling someone a self-hating Jew.

 

[belboid]

You’re mental

Although tbf, your comment here is no less daft then your claim I was ‘doing almost exactly the same thing’ as calling someone a self-hating Jew.

just trying to hold you to your own standards.

 

[Mr Moose]

You brought up the Arbeit mach Frei slogan, and how it’s used by the disability movement. I’ve shown you how the use of such rhetoric isn’t just daft, but functions to normalise antisemitism.

Oh and Bard isn’t an antipsychiatrist

C’mon the idea that the disability movement, protesting the harsh, suicide inducing, treatment some have been subjected to, by likening this to the treatment of disabled people by the Nazis ‘functions to normalise antisemitism’ doesn’t hold up.

The Nazis exterminated disabled people. Discrimination against disabled people now is also a systematic oppression.

 

[Mr Moose]

Williamson has been suspended after not-being-suspended this afternoon. Tactical genius from the Corbyn camp there.

To be fair Labour said earlier that he was ‘under investigation’.

To move from that to suspension in an afternoon is quite a phenomenal display of speed for the Labour Party.

 

[Shechemite]

C’mon the idea that the disability movement, protesting the harsh, suicide inducing, treatment some have been subjected to, by likening this to the treatment of disabled people by the Nazis ‘functions to normalise antisemitism’ doesn’t hold up.

The Nazis exterminated disabled people. Discrimination against disabled people now is also a systematic oppression.

The Nazis rounded up disabled people from institutions in order to exterminate them. The ‘disabled movement’ (by which you mean a small group of activists, there isn’t one homegenous ‘movement’) in this instance is one that laments the ending of institutionalisation.

Using nazi imagery to express your point isn’t inherently antisemitic (I haven’t said it is), but the groups/activists that do so just so happen to have a er ‘problematic’ attitude towards AS, and they don’t just see cuts and benefit sanctions as being similar in effect to nazi policies, they argue that austerity is part of an underlying and deliberate ‘endgame eugenicist’ agenda.

You do understand that not all disabled people have the same politics?

 

[Shechemite]

just trying to hold you to your own standards.

You’re monitoring my social media? A bit weird that.

 

[killer b]

To be fair Labour said earlier that he was ‘under investigation’.

To move from that to suspension in an afternoon is quite a phenomenal display of speed for the Labour Party.

He should have been suspended when the investigation was announced - it was obviously going to happen by the end of the day anyway so why let it dominate an entire day's news cycle? Clowns.

 

[Mr Moose]

You do understand that not all disabled people have the same politics?

Yes of course and that’s exactly it. You could make those analogies without being any more racist than the writers of Father Ted were when they had him do a Nazi salute.

I don’t disagree that those individuals are dodgy for a moment though.

 

[Shechemite]

Yes of course and that’s exactly it. You could make those analogies without being any more racist than the writers of Father Ted were when they had him do a Nazi salute.

I don’t disagree that those individuals are dodgy for a moment though.

You ‘could’, but that’s not what happens it practice. And the analogies would still be moronic

 

[belboid]

You’re monitoring my social media? A bit weird that.

On here, Where you've been discussing him all day. Jones just didn't explicitly say 'suspend him.' So what? Neither did you. Whilst discussing him and his actions.