Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[cantsin]

( can't believe we're back on this part of the eternal carousel tbh, but we've had a CLP abandoned last night in SW, due to regional , + our local one cld be going the same way tmmrw night, so this stuff is very ...current for us ....won't be for long tho, no one's sticking around for this sh*te for much longer, and then everyone can go back to having two near political identical parties facing off at the next general election etc.)

But I digress, back to pyramids and all seeing eye's n shit...

 

[killer b]

( can't believe we're back on this part of the eternal carousel tbh, but we've had a CLP abandoned last night in SW, due to regional , + our local one cld be going the same way tmmrw night, so this stuff is very ...current for us ....won't be for long tho, no one's sticking around for this sh*te for much longer, and then everyone can go back to having two near political identical parties facing off at the next general election etc )

maybe you could read and respond to some of the more substantive posts on the thread then, rather than picking up on fairly irrelevant detail that we covered in 2016?

 

[cantsin]

It's a huge red flag for antisemitism, even if it sometimes appears in a non-antisemitic context (when??)

erm, the US dollar ? ( am I missing something here ? )

 

[frogwoman]

'Yeah well, it's standard' yeah it is and that's the problem isnt it!

 

[danny la rouge]

erm, the US dollar ? ( am I missing something here ? )

Yes. But not maliciously. And you’re not alone: we’ve all missed something at one time or another. And that’s the problem.

 

[Pickman's model]

( can't believe we're back on this part of the eternal carousel tbh, but we've had a CLP abandoned last night in SW, due to regional , + our local one cld be going the same way tmmrw night, so this stuff is very ...current for us ....won't be for long tho, no one's sticking around for this sh*te for much longer, and then everyone can go back to having two near political identical parties facing off at the next general election etc.)

But I digress, back to pyramids and all seeing eye's n shit...

We had two near identical parties last time round only the lp had some pink icing on it.. And more overt anti-semitism

 

[killer b]

( am I missing something here ? )

yes, the racism.

Seriously. if you think the eye and the pyramid is just some standard, non-racist trope shared around in anticapitalist circles, it's no wonder you can't see the racists in the labour party.

 

[belboid]

It's a huge red flag for antisemitism, even if it sometimes appears in a non-antisemitic context (when??)

The illuminatus trilogy, all sorts of hippy spin offs, hawkwind t-shirts, grateful dead albums...certain hippies’ tattoos. They were largely piss taking and satirical for years. The extent to which they were common on the right was minuscule.

 

[danny la rouge]

can't believe we're back on this part of the eternal carousel tbh

I think we’re making progress, tbh. Two steps forward and one and a half back, but progress. Pick up with where we’ve got to, and put your hurt aside for now. We’ve moved beyond the denial stage.

 

[cantsin]

We had two near identical parties last time round only the lp had some pink icing on it

harsh ... red , at least ?

 

[belboid]

Yes. But not maliciously. And you’re not alone: we’ve all missed something at one time or another. And that’s the problem.

Indeed. Just as it is with islamophobia.

 

[killer b]

The illuminatus trilogy, all sorts of hippy spin offs, hawkwind t-shirts, grateful dead albums...certain hippies’ tattoos. They were largely piss taking and satirical for years. The extent to which they were common on the right was minuscule.

all these are ancient. recent useage is almost 100% racist conspiracy theorists, and you know it.

 

[Pickman's model]

harsh ... red , at least ?

When the leader is to the right of Red Jim Callaghan they're pink at best

 

[danny la rouge]

Indeed. Just as it is with islamophobia.

With all prejudice. We live and learn. I am still working on my cultural sexism.

 

[belboid]

all these are ancient. recent useage is almost 100% racist conspiracy theorists, and you know it.

Ancient? The eighties aren’t ancient, man. And yes, the last ten-twenty years is different but still relatively obscure. I don’t really expect everyone to keep up on the changing nature of esoteric symbology, tho I would have hoped/thought that someone like Corbyn would have.

 

[killer b]

The eighties aren’t ancient, man.

bless you.

 

[belboid]

With all prejudice. We live and learn. I am still working on my cultural sexism.

And plenty are blind to their own prejudice because they can’t believe it of themselves ‘me? An anti-Semite/islamophobe? But I’ve been on anti racist denonstrations’

 

[littlebabyjesus]

all these are ancient. recent useage is almost 100% racist conspiracy theorists, and you know it.

You recognised that as soon as you saw the mural. I did as well, fwiw. Corbyn didn't - and missed the other stuff as well, clearly. So what do you do with that? Do you believe him that he didn't see it? Do you accept his apology? What?

 

[rekil]

Racist people exist everywhere in every culture, like cockroaches they hide from the light & the 1% of them are in the darkest place of all. The same elite power brokers who lied to us about 911 & weapons of mass distraction, who decimated Iraq, Syria, Libya, who were complicit in the 2008 global financial crisis. They fooled us w/Bernie Sanders as hope only to see the party self-destruct TWICE removing any sense of choice, and as for Trump I believe he obviously works w/the Clinton Foundation as an actor to create division in American politics & the world as Giant Tech & Big Pharma become fully embedded within the elite banking cartel, the illuminati, the new technocrati - problem, reaction solution. Time to Wake Up #EarthPeople

I had a look at that prick's feeds and he's still flogging that mural. 1000% Icke loon. I'm not a neuroanatomist but I reckon if we kicked his head off and peered inside there'd be nothing but a big blob of congealed weed.

 

[frogwoman]

The mural artist did an interview with notable Hawkwind fan David Icke. Not to single you out belboid but I've really had enough of this stuff.

 

[danny la rouge]

harsh ... red , at least ?

I know killer b will pick me up on this, but Corbyn’s Labour wasn’t nearly as left as he was made out by the Post Thatcherite consensus. Not in the context of the post war consensus. (Which, yes, I know it wasn’t in the context of).

Before we stray off the point, though. It’s the way that legitimate criticism of the Israeli state can bleed into hyperbole that borrows from antisemitism that we need to work on in ourselves and in our own organisations. If we don’t, what makes us any better than those we rightly denounce on the right?

 

[danny la rouge]

And plenty are blind to their own prejudice because they can’t believe it of themselves ‘me? An anti-Semite/islamophobe? But I’ve been on anti racist denonstrations’

Exactly.

 

[rummo]

That mural is supposedly about capitalism being to blame for slavery.

If so, then it's probably more likely the the eye of providence symbol is a reference to the US dollar bill than some whacky illuminati stuff.

Occams razor.

I have to say, my first reaction when I looked at that mural in any detail was that it was a mishmash of all sorts.

My second reaction was that the guy on the righthand side is the spitting image of Alf Garnet. Which was probably not the artist's intention.

 

[frogwoman]

Transphobia and sexism as well tbh. If anyone pulls me up on something I'd like to think I'd at least consider it rather than go on about how i condemn all forms of racism and I've been a passionate anti-racist for 60 billion years.

 

[danny la rouge]

The mural artist did an interview with notable Hawkwind fan David Icke. Not to single you out belboid but I've really had enough of this stuff.

Yup. There’s two huge threads on this still recycling stuff from page one. Let’s not.

 

[danny la rouge]

That mural is supposedly about capitalism being to blame for slavery.

If so, then it's probably more likely the the eye of providence symbol is a reference to the US dollar bill than some whacky illuminati stuff.

Occams razor.

I have to say, my first reaction when I looked at that mural in any detail was that it was a mishmash of all sorts.

My second reaction was that the guy on the righthand side is the spitting image of Alf Garnet. Which was probably not the artist's intention.

Oh for fuck sake. Seriously? Grab a hold of yourself.

 

[killer b]

You recognised that as soon as you saw the mural. I did as well, fwiw. Corbyn didn't - and missed the other stuff as well, clearly. So what do you do with that? Do you believe him that he didn't see it? Do you accept his apology? What?

I did, grudgingly, accept his excuse in 2016. Partly I think because it suited me to. But the pattern of him... overlooking things since then has led me to other conclusions.

 

[killer b]

That mural is supposedly about capitalism being to blame for slavery.

If so, then it's probably more likely the the eye of providence symbol is a reference to the US dollar bill than some whacky illuminati stuff.

Occams razor.

I have to say, my first reaction when I looked at that mural in any detail was that it was a mishmash of all sorts.

My second reaction was that the guy on the righthand side is the spitting image of Alf Garnet. Which was probably not the artist's intention.

haha amazing. You absolute weapon.

 

[belboid]

The mural artist is a fucking turd of the first order, there is no question of that. But that doesn’t mean everyone immediately recognises a fairly obscure symbol on a bit of it.

 

[danny la rouge]

You recognised that as soon as you saw the mural. I did as well, fwiw. Corbyn didn't - and missed the other stuff as well, clearly. So what do you do with that? Do you believe him that he didn't see it? Do you accept his apology? What?

The “not seeing” is a problem, wouldn’t you agree? From someone of his prominence in public politics.