danny la rouge
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I know, but it was me who introduced the age bantz, so I was just owning up to that.
Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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Kevbad the Bad
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So if anyone disagrees with you on this issue they might as well shut up shop and go home. Because they are obviously acting in bad faith. I suspect they are probably tankies, as well, although you haven't said so yet. There, I've saved you the bother.
Treacle Toes
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Honestly, I think it's because bigotry in all forms is much more expected from the Right and because of that accepted as the way it is/they are. It isn't expected of and accepted of the Left, quite the opposite. The acknowledgement that it exists has rightly created angst & an existential crisis.
That it's existence within the left is given more focus and scrutiny is in some ways a different conversation.
danny la rouge
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I don’t know where you’ve been all these decades, but if you haven’t seen any antisemitism on the left, you must have been moving in a very virtuous milieu! Maybe you have been. But it’s hard to imagine how you avoided it during Gulf War 1 or the STWC during Gulf War 2, for example.
Kevbad the Bad
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I was going to say that, but decided against.
Treacle Toes
Time
I think people would like the actual 'witch hunt' to stop so the seriousness of antisemitism on the Left can be dealt with.
It's not going to stop, so it needs to be dealt with whilst under heavy enemy fire. I appreciate this makes it much more difficult.
danny la rouge
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Yes, but KillerB puts it well: it won’t, so we need to deal with that.
danny la rouge
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When I say “we”, I mean of course Trots and Tankies. 
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
When I say “we”, I mean of course Trots and Tankies.
dinosaurs!
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
A couple of thoughts on the ‘how to move forward whilst under enemy fire’ (which I accept you are):
1 having a different relationship to geopolitics, not going for the simple anti-imperialist analysis
2 ruthless shunning of the loons (KAM, Williamson etc)
3) reassert class as the central conflict in society, face down the ‘racism is whiteness’ crowd
on the third point I thought this articulates well my own thoughts on the ‘race as structure’ idea
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1 having a different relationship to geopolitics, not going for the simple anti-imperialist analysis
2 ruthless shunning of the loons (KAM, Williamson etc)
3) reassert class as the central conflict in society, face down the ‘racism is whiteness’ crowd
on the third point I thought this articulates well my own thoughts on the ‘race as structure’ idea
The dangerous logic of anti-racism
If racism is about prejudice and power, where does that leave high-achieving minorities?
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danny la rouge
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You’re going round in circles. Pick a direction and stop making yourself dizzy.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
i think more were concerned about the power a Corbyn government might give to the likes of skwakbox/canary etc and to the army of zombie nutters who followed him
Other Jews I spoke to were concerned about what would happen (this was before covid) if/when brexit went tits up. They didn’t fancy being the group to be scapegoated
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
A couple of thoughts on the ‘how to move forward whilst under enemy fire’ (which I accept you are):
1 having a different relationship to geopolitics, not going for the simple anti-imperialist analysis
2 ruthless shunning of the loons (KAM, Williamson etc)
3) reassert class as the central conflict in society, face down the ‘racism is whiteness’ crowd
on the third point I thought this articulates well my own thoughts on the ‘race as structure’ idea
The dangerous logic of anti-racism
If racism is about prejudice and power, where does that leave high-achieving minorities?
on the subject of loons, mental health politics is pretty much a three way fight between anti-imperialists, anti-vaxxers and the abolish white-cis-hetero-normativity people (the anti-imperialists have taken a back seat since the 2019 GE obvs). They’re all wankers
steveseagull
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Antisemitism is way worse now than it was under Corbyn. There are literally Jews being purged from the party for discussing... antisemitism... in plain sight.
All those Blairites spent the last five years queuing up at TV news channels have absolutely nothing to say about it.
This party is an absolute danger.
All those Blairites spent the last five years queuing up at TV news channels have absolutely nothing to say about it.
This party is an absolute danger.
bimble
floofy
This is really good.The dangerous logic of anti-racism
If racism is about prejudice and power, where does that leave high-achieving minorities?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
No and maybe. The maybe refers to people who believed the claims, but wrongly. During lockdown I got in touch with a bunch of mates from 45 years ago, whom I hadn't seen in all that time. One of them voted Green in the last election because he couldn't bring himself to vote for anti Semitic Labour. When pressed by a Labour member to give an example of antisemitism in the party or an antisemitic pronouncement by JC he couldn't think of one. So genuinely held belief but nothing to back it up.
I'm merely trying to gauge the bona fides of posters, or at least the extent to which they are connected to external reality.
The existential threat thing was complete bollocks and those who made it were being dishonest and using fears about actual anti Semitism to further their own political agenda.
Likewise I think the depiction of Stephen Solley QC as an anti Semite is complete bollocks and is being done for the same reason.
It seems you either reject, or chose to ignore, is that those driving the narrative that Labour has a serious problem with anti Semitism are dishonest and disingenuous.
That has to be the starting point.
danny la rouge
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Me or “one”?
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Who is this Stephen Solley of which you speak? You keep mentioning him but no one wants to look him up.
The Corbyn government is an "existential threat" was obvious bollocks but those who claim to have never seen any anti-semitism on the left are either in denial or have drunk the "anti-imperialism of fools" Kool Aid.
Oh, and fuck the Labour Party
The Corbyn government is an "existential threat" was obvious bollocks but those who claim to have never seen any anti-semitism on the left are either in denial or have drunk the "anti-imperialism of fools" Kool Aid.
Oh, and fuck the Labour Party
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