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Labour & Anti-Semitism.

Dodged you’re not at all loaded question. Why don’t you tell who you think is to blame for tedious pricks tediously going ‘wrong sort of Jew’ with a self satisfied smile
 
And as I’ve said, there are plenty of reasons to object to JVL, which have nothing to with them being jews (the wrong sort or otherwise)
 
Dodged you’re not at all loaded question. Why don’t you tell who you think is to blame for tedious pricks tediously going ‘wrong sort of Jew’ with a self satisfied smile
The people calling Jews with certain political opinions 'self-hating Jews', or indeed more recently just calling them 'anti-Semitic'? The fact that this group of people includes an Auschwitz survivor just goes to show how odious and ridiculous that kind of smearing is. Yet you moan about the reaction to it.
 
Dodged you’re not at all loaded question. Why don’t you tell who you think is to blame for tedious pricks tediously going ‘wrong sort of Jew’ with a self satisfied smile
smiling? i havent seen a single smile in 2020 when it comes to this. if you think people are enjoying this and point scoring i think you should look again - people are feeling despair at whats going on, broken, humiliated, dismissed, smeared, the list goes on

ive got a terrible memory, but i could've sworn you used to be an anti-ID politics warrior - this all now seems like a pretty clear cut textbook case of ID politics abuse.
 
Why do you not tell us what they are then instead of posting lists of Jews you do not like?

Er, I have posted what I find objectionable about JVL, and I haven’t ‘posted lists of Jews I don’t like’.

But you carry on with your paranoia, poor persecuted wrong sort of jew.
 
'Formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews and had a Jewish soul. But nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by Jews.'
Hajo Meyer
 
smiling? i havent seen a single smile in 2020 when it comes to this. if you think people are enjoying this and point scoring i think you should look again - people are feeling despair at whats going on, broken, humiliated, dismissed, smeared, the list goes on

ive got a terrible memory, but i could've sworn you used to be an anti-ID politics warrior - this all now seems like a pretty clear cut textbook case of ID politics abuse.

Right, so you refer to the JVLers identity to complain about their treatment, I refer to their politics, and I’m the own with the ‘clear cut case of ID politics abuse’
 
The people calling Jews with certain political opinions 'self-hating Jews', or indeed more recently just calling them 'anti-Semitic'? The fact that this group of people includes an Auschwitz survivor just goes to show how odious and ridiculous that kind of smearing is. Yet you moan about the reaction to it.

How many auschwitz survivors are going ‘wrong sort of Jew’ twice an hour every hour on this thread?
 
Not anything to do with the Labour Party at all but just a thing I was reading about recently & found interesting; the person this is about4DB04766-9A4D-4337-8B5D-A31E811AF775.jpeg
(Bobby Fischer the world chess champion ) was Jewish by descent. It definitely an outlier but just, interesting. This is not me trying to make a point about anyone else by the way, just a bit of weird trivia.
 
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Not anything to do with the Labour Party at all but just a thing I was reading about recently & found interesting; the person this is aboutView attachment 241864
(Bobby Fischer the world chess champion ) was Jewish by descent. It definitely an outlier but just, interesting. This is not me trying to make a point about anyone else by the way, just a bit of weird trivia.

Maybe he couldn’t handle losing to a girl a la queens gambit
 
In context it makes a good point. Meyer was probably tired of being called an anti Semite.
What is the good point you think it makes. It’s just silly, sorry. I think he’s the one who got a lot of hate for drawing parallels of some kind between Israeli state actions and the nazis, and fwiw I do think that should be allowed, making it an offence to do Godwin’s law in this one area is wrong, imo.
 
What is the good point you think it makes. It’s just silly, sorry. I think he’s the one who got a lot of hate for drawing parallels of some kind between Israeli state actions and the nazis, and fwiw I do think that should be allowed, making it an offence to do Godwin’s law in this one area is wrong, imo.

Fair point. I'd try to resist that one but I was called an antisemite for drawing parallels with South Africa when I'd used no inflammatory language. That's a difficulty though, you'd be called antisemitic for that and would be expelled from the Labour party.
 
What is the good point you think it makes. It’s just silly, sorry. I think he’s the one who got a lot of hate for drawing parallels of some kind between Israeli state actions and the nazis, and fwiw I do think that should be allowed, making it an offence to do Godwin’s law in this one area is wrong, imo.


The good point it makes is this.

The first sentence makes it clear what anti Semitism actually is.

The second sentence shows how the concept of anti Semitism has been weaponised and the meaning corrupted for political ends.

For instance, Stephen Solley QC has been accused of anti Semitism. He's not anti Semitic. No one believes he's anti Semitic. His accuser surely doesn't truly believe he's anti Semitic. So why has he been accused of anti Semitism? Maybe you could explain why. Maybe you could say whether you think he's an anti Semite.
 
rummo you carry on. I've got other stuff to do today & if you think the definition of an antisemite is "someone who is hated by Jews" i don't think me looking up a bloke called steve is going to be of much help.
 
rummo you carry on. I've got other stuff to do today & if you think the definition of an antisemite is "someone who is hated by Jews" i don't think me looking up a bloke called steve is going to be of much help.


Well it's a better and more accurate definition than one which allows someone like Stephen Solley to be described as anti Semitic.
 
Oh, come on. Meyer said that in particular circumstances.


Yes he did. He said it in a context. As I've already said.

But as I've also said it's a more accurate description of the essence of anti Semitism than one which allows Stephen Solley to be accused of being an anti Semite.
 
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