Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Are norton and Blumenthal the wrong sort of Jews or just a bit wrong? Are JVL a bunch of nobs or a persecuted section of the community? Jeremy Corbyn hit with evidence-free Russiagate-style allegations…
Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Yeah a bunch of Trots and other oddballs refer to themselves with the self aggrandising term ‘wrong sort of Jew’.
that’s why labour lost comrade
that’s why labour lost comrade
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
a) self deprecation, not aggrandising
b) nothing at all to do with why Labour lost, unless there were previously unknown Jewish communities in the "Red Wall"
c) JVL not even remotely "Trots"
d) "oddballs" ?? check your privilege
bimble
floofy
Come on. i used to call my own self exactly that, a lot, back when i thought that was the cool thing to do, wore the scarf and everything, loudly declare self 'the wrong kind of jew', the special different kind of jew that is palatable, that you can like. And it was 100% self aggrandising, and to ingratiate myself with people, or feel safe. Please, try to stop pontificating on what jews in general or as clumps of jews think, would be better to just not.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
What you're describing is the self deprecating boast. We all do it from time to time to make ourselves less threatening to people we want to like us. You might think that's the wrong sort of adjective to use, but 'self aggrandising' with its overtones of egotism, arrogance and overt boastfulness is no better.
The real problem here is that MiB thinks people like JVL and Jewdas really are the wrong sort of Jew and fields a bunch of antisemitic tropes to disparage them:
Trots - the Commie Jew
Oddballs - Jews don't fit in
Self aggrandising - the egotistical/arrogant Jew
They're the reason Labour lost - the dolchstosslegende or stab in the back
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ska invita
back on the other side
LBC phone in
Q: And what do you think about Shami Chakrabarti planning legal action against Jeremy Corbyn’s suspension?
Starmer says he does not think Labour needs any more legal challenges.
Director of Prosecutions has prosecuted - there is nothing more to see here
Q: And what do you think about Shami Chakrabarti planning legal action against Jeremy Corbyn’s suspension?
Starmer says he does not think Labour needs any more legal challenges.
Director of Prosecutions has prosecuted - there is nothing more to see here
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the best advice i ever got, via suggs, was always go for a piss before leaving the pub
bimble
floofy
That’s not my cunning plan, I promise, but as you like.and keeps the thread coming up to the top to remind people of the accusations
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But what do you think?
bimble
floofy
I am undecided, can’t yet tell whether it’s funny or not. Also his face looking straight out of the screen like that gives me the fear so that makes it harder to tell if funny or scary. The fact that he is ignoring George Galloway’s existing new party and George is cross does brighten my morning.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Just the cunning plan of those that fund you eh?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Labour reinstates Jeremy Corbyn after suspension over antisemitism remarks
No decision has been made whether to restore the whip to former leader
those who “deny there is a problem are part of the problem … Those who pretend it is all exaggerated or factional are part of the problem.”
What about those who don't deny that there is a problem but do think it is partially (not all) exaggerated and partially (not all) factional?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
They're obviously anti Semitic extreme left Trotskyist infiltrators. As is anyone who questions just how a party overwhelmingly anti racist can be branded as Jew baiters by its own right wing and as institutionally anti Semitic.Labour reinstates Jeremy Corbyn after suspension over antisemitism remarks
No decision has been made whether to restore the whip to former leaderwww.theguardian.com
those who “deny there is a problem are part of the problem … Those who pretend it is all exaggerated or factional are part of the problem.”
What about those who don't deny that there is a problem but do think it is partially (not all) exaggerated and partially (not all) factional?
andysays
Love and solidarity
We'll have none of that nuance here, thank you very much, it's all or nothing with this one, and if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.Labour reinstates Jeremy Corbyn after suspension over antisemitism remarks
No decision has been made whether to restore the whip to former leader
those who “deny there is a problem are part of the problem … Those who pretend it is all exaggerated or factional are part of the problem.”
What about those who don't deny that there is a problem but do think it is partially (not all) exaggerated and partially (not all) factional?
Antisemitism: The dividing line
Stephen Solley is a retired QC and former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee. He is Jewish, a Labour Party member and a critic of Israel. On 28 January he received a campaign email from Miriam Mirwitch, chair of Young Labour, the party's youth section, and a candidate for the London Assembly.
"I know what it's like to face antisemitism every day," Mirwitch wrote, identifying herself as a national committee member of the Jewish Labour Movement. "I've had to fight antisemitism both inside and outside the Labour Party," she said.
Twenty-three minutes later, Mirwitch wrote to Solley's former chambers, accusing him of antisemitism. She also wrote to the Bar Standards Board. Both rejected her accusations. But three days after sending the email, Solley received notification from the Labour Party that he was under investigation for antisemitism, an investigation that appears to be ongoing.
Solley is aware that by speaking out he may have contravened the party's demand that he "keep all information and correspondence relating to this investigation private." His response? "I don’t give a damn. If they really want to expel the Jewish former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee, so be it."
www.middleeasteye.net
Stephen Solley is a retired QC and former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee. He is Jewish, a Labour Party member and a critic of Israel. On 28 January he received a campaign email from Miriam Mirwitch, chair of Young Labour, the party's youth section, and a candidate for the London Assembly.
"I know what it's like to face antisemitism every day," Mirwitch wrote, identifying herself as a national committee member of the Jewish Labour Movement. "I've had to fight antisemitism both inside and outside the Labour Party," she said.
Solley recalls: "I got this just a week after Holocaust Remembrance Day. I thought this was the most offensive thing. She lives in modern north-west London. It's absurd. Of course she doesn't face antisemitism every day. It's just whipping up anxiety. I was really upset by it." He replied to Mirwitch with a short, simple email. "The Jewish Labour Movement is, in my opinion, a force for ill and something of a con in that it is destructive of socialism. It is a pro Israel, anti Palestine group. It becomes imperative to vote against you."
'If they really want to expel the Jewish former Chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee, so be it'
- Stephen Solley, retired QC
Twenty-three minutes later, Mirwitch wrote to Solley's former chambers, accusing him of antisemitism. She also wrote to the Bar Standards Board. Both rejected her accusations. But three days after sending the email, Solley received notification from the Labour Party that he was under investigation for antisemitism, an investigation that appears to be ongoing.
Solley is aware that by speaking out he may have contravened the party's demand that he "keep all information and correspondence relating to this investigation private." His response? "I don’t give a damn. If they really want to expel the Jewish former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee, so be it."
'The wrong sort of Jew': How Labour pursued complaints against elderly Jewish opponents of Israel
Labour's investigations into antisemitism raise questions about the nature and definition of what the party is attempting to root out
www.middleeasteye.net
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Should be clear that the context is very garbled here, as far as I can tell this is a member of the Proud Boys who is forming his own splinter group in disappointment at their lack of overt racism, homophobia and anti-semitism.
The actual Proud Boys being more focused on covert racism, misogyny and Islamophobia ime...
More here.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Antisemitism: The dividing line
Stephen Solley is a retired QC and former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee. He is Jewish, a Labour Party member and a critic of Israel. On 28 January he received a campaign email from Miriam Mirwitch, chair of Young Labour, the party's youth section, and a candidate for the London Assembly.
"I know what it's like to face antisemitism every day," Mirwitch wrote, identifying herself as a national committee member of the Jewish Labour Movement. "I've had to fight antisemitism both inside and outside the Labour Party," she said.
Solley recalls: "I got this just a week after Holocaust Remembrance Day. I thought this was the most offensive thing. She lives in modern north-west London. It's absurd. Of course she doesn't face antisemitism every day. It's just whipping up anxiety. I was really upset by it." He replied to Mirwitch with a short, simple email. "The Jewish Labour Movement is, in my opinion, a force for ill and something of a con in that it is destructive of socialism. It is a pro Israel, anti Palestine group. It becomes imperative to vote against you."
Twenty-three minutes later, Mirwitch wrote to Solley's former chambers, accusing him of antisemitism. She also wrote to the Bar Standards Board. Both rejected her accusations. But three days after sending the email, Solley received notification from the Labour Party that he was under investigation for antisemitism, an investigation that appears to be ongoing.
Solley is aware that by speaking out he may have contravened the party's demand that he "keep all information and correspondence relating to this investigation private." His response? "I don’t give a damn. If they really want to expel the Jewish former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee, so be it."
'The wrong sort of Jew': How Labour pursued complaints against elderly Jewish opponents of Israel
Labour's investigations into antisemitism raise questions about the nature and definition of what the party is attempting to root out
Yeah that's pretty much the sort of insanity that we're at nowAntisemitism: The dividing line
Stephen Solley is a retired QC and former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee. He is Jewish, a Labour Party member and a critic of Israel. On 28 January he received a campaign email from Miriam Mirwitch, chair of Young Labour, the party's youth section, and a candidate for the London Assembly.
"I know what it's like to face antisemitism every day," Mirwitch wrote, identifying herself as a national committee member of the Jewish Labour Movement. "I've had to fight antisemitism both inside and outside the Labour Party," she said.
Solley recalls: "I got this just a week after Holocaust Remembrance Day. I thought this was the most offensive thing. She lives in modern north-west London. It's absurd. Of course she doesn't face antisemitism every day. It's just whipping up anxiety. I was really upset by it." He replied to Mirwitch with a short, simple email. "The Jewish Labour Movement is, in my opinion, a force for ill and something of a con in that it is destructive of socialism. It is a pro Israel, anti Palestine group. It becomes imperative to vote against you."
Twenty-three minutes later, Mirwitch wrote to Solley's former chambers, accusing him of antisemitism. She also wrote to the Bar Standards Board. Both rejected her accusations. But three days after sending the email, Solley received notification from the Labour Party that he was under investigation for antisemitism, an investigation that appears to be ongoing.
Solley is aware that by speaking out he may have contravened the party's demand that he "keep all information and correspondence relating to this investigation private." His response? "I don’t give a damn. If they really want to expel the Jewish former chair of the Bar Human Rights Committee, so be it."
'The wrong sort of Jew': How Labour pursued complaints against elderly Jewish opponents of Israel
Labour's investigations into antisemitism raise questions about the nature and definition of what the party is attempting to root out
Good illustration of the Right Sort of Jew/Wrong Sort of Jew paradigm on last night's Newsnight. Kirsty Wark interviewing Jenny Manson and Louise Ellman. I say 'interviewing' but in the case of the former 'arguing with' would be a better description and 'having a conversation with' in the case of the later.
Shameless bias and partisanship on this issue from the BBC, as we have now come to accept.
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Shameless bias and partisanship on this issue from the BBC, as we have now come to accept.
BBC Two - Newsnight, 17/11/2020
The day's important national and international news stories. With Kirsty Wark.
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HaveMyPassword123
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Good illustration of the Right Sort of Jew/Wrong Sort of Jew paradigm on last night's Newsnight. Kirsty Wark interviewing Jenny Manson and Louise Ellman. I say 'interviewing' but in the case of the former 'arguing with' would be a better description and 'having a conversation with' in the case of the later.
Shameless bias and partisanship on this issue from the BBC, as we have now come to accept.
BBC Two - Newsnight, 17/11/2020
The day's important national and international news stories. With Kirsty Wark.
I thought the "do you support Keir Starmer or not" line of questioning was genuinely disturbing.
bimble
floofy
This is pretty standard stuff but the whole shitshow of the last couple of years has made it worse without a doubt, a definite increase in the amount of people who feel obliged to spend time on the internet having opinions about jews.
Perhaps if the issue of anti Semitism hadn't been weaponised and used so spuriously to attack Corbyn then there might not have been so much of this going on.
But it's a good way to attack your opponents, accuse them of being anti Semitic. You put them on the defensive and you assume the high ground.
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