tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Not if you just want to wear a hijab or kippah there isn't.
Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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19force8
For the avoidance of faith
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Really, you think there are people in the UK who have no idea about what the state of Israel is, but still support it?
Supporting something you don't understand or even know anything about doesn't let you off the hook for what it is you're supporting.
bimble
floofy
damn cant believe i missed this what a lineup.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
surprised gerry downing not on the paneldamn cant believe i missed this what a lineup.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
People know about the state of Israel, or think they do, but mostly know next to nothing about its establishment and history, nor of the history of Zionism or anti-Zionism before Israel was established. What they see in the Middle East is a functioning democracy surrounded by dictatorships and religious fanaticism. It's an incredibly uninformed vision, influenced by a media and establishment largely indifferent to the plight, suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. The rise of Islamic fundamentalism and associated barbarity has not helped. But that still does not mean that people buy into the philosophy and politics of Zionism. And I'm not letting people off hooks. If anything I'm saying that many people are only hanging onto their hook by a very slender thread.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
What’s the point of ‘anti-Zionism’?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Being against Zionism
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
You quoted me there why?
No idea. Didn't intend to. Hope you're not too upset.
Is a formal apology required?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
No, just wondered if you had decided my view on Middle East Eye editorial policy.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Say you think that the establishment of states specifically on particular ethnic lines probably isn't a good idea, then anti-Zionism would be a useful position in response to one specific example of such an approach.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
What "is" the State of Israel?
And does anything make it different from other states?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Yes, and was so designated by the United Nations Partition decision in 1947. Pakistan is an Islamic Republic and the carnage of partion surrounding it's creatiin was far greater and comprehensive than that which happened in Palestine/Israel at the same time (Pakistan is 95-98% Muslim, in contrast 20+% of Israeli citizens are Muslims, Druze and Christian Arabs); Croatia and Serbia are de facto states for Roman Catholics and Orthodox respectively; post-war Poland was and remains a Roman Catholic state the Jews and ethnic Germans driven out and various population and territorial exchanges in the East removing the Orthodox and Uniatate minorities.
Isn't "nation building" usually about racism by intent?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
This conversation is too wide-ranging and academic to be that interesting to me. But I suppose you’d need to define “nation-building”, and place it in an historical framework, and so on. But if the question is do I support the existence of states, then no, I don’t. Do they exist? Yes, they do. Is it necessary for them to specify in their constitution which race they are designed to be for? No. Is it desirable? No. Is it practicable? Not without racist policies and actions. Could a state of Israel be constituted to treat citizens of Israel equally regardless of ethnicity? Yes. Does it? No.
That’s all getting away from the thread subject, though.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
If the attributed Starmer quote is accurate, there may be a clue about how Corbyn will be allowed back into the fold/way out for Starmer?
I don't think that the LP will be able to avoid accepting that Corbyn's statement, though politically questionable, did not seek to deny or minimise the problem or say that antisemitism is just exaggerated or just part of a factional fight.
I don't think that the LP will be able to avoid accepting that Corbyn's statement, though politically questionable, did not seek to deny or minimise the problem or say that antisemitism is just exaggerated or just part of a factional fight.
JimW
支那暗杀团
The grammar would suggest the combination of actual existing anti-Semites plus the over-exaggeration of the prevalence of the problem but it's not very clear.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
bimble
floofy
so he meant,
the one antisemite (who is one too many)
+
the exaggeration of the problem by our opponents & the media
=
hurt jewish people.
ok. I do wish he'd been a bit clearer because its always helpful when someone explains what it is that hurt you and what combination it is exactly that must never be repeated.
FWIW i think the above is true, there's no doubt in my mind that the whole shitshow has led to there being more not less of those one too many antisemites.
the one antisemite (who is one too many)
+
the exaggeration of the problem by our opponents & the media
=
hurt jewish people.
ok. I do wish he'd been a bit clearer because its always helpful when someone explains what it is that hurt you and what combination it is exactly that must never be repeated.
FWIW i think the above is true, there's no doubt in my mind that the whole shitshow has led to there being more not less of those one too many antisemites.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He doesn't imply that there was only one, though. He does imply that the level of anti-Semitism in the Labour party mirrors that of society in general, that it isn't a problem peculiar to the Labour party.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Except they completely ignore crosses. But another time, another place...
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
True, the fact that someone holds and espouses Zionist ideas doesn't mean they've taken the time to study and contemplate the roots and implications of those ideas. Nevertheless, they have bought into aspects of Zionism. Just as someone who is only a bit racist is still a racist, so someone who holds to, say, only 25% of the tenets of Zionism is still a Zionist. Of course, sometimes it's necessary to differentiate between the ideas someone holds and the ideology those ideas come from, especially if you're trying to get them to change, but by and large, if walks like a duck.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
No it's because the Palestinian issue for years has attracted a certain number of weird but certainly not wonderful individuals, who bear the Mark of the Loon upon them.
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I suspect most leftwing Jews can identify.
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