Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[Proper Tidy]

Tell you what though, it's typical of labour left that it didn't leak this report before the last leadership campaign. Maybe starmer would still have won but it would have been a fuck lot closer

 

[Proper Tidy]

I think it's time I filled in that union form to bin off the political affiliation, or possibly the union altogether TBF.

Is it unite?

 

[mauvais]

Is it unite?

Yeah. I should have joined BECTU (no affiliation) years ago but the voting rights in Unite, as well as inertia, kept me in place. Fuck em.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Yeah. I should have joined BECTU (no affiliation) years ago but the voting rights in Unite, as well as inertia, kept me in place. Fuck em.

I went down an internet rabbit hole finding out how to opt out after first emailing welsh region (which usually responds quickly) and getting nothing back - they don't make it easy. Anyway I found this in the end, it's from 2008 but couldn't find anything else. Still haven't sent mine yet

Or you could leave the union and lose out on the energy club and free will writing

 

[mauvais]

You used to be able to do it online via one of the two weird membership sites (I opted out and then back at various points and never filled in a paper form) but it seems like it's changed.

 

[brogdale]

Tell you what though, it's typical of labour left that it didn't leak this report before the last leadership campaign. Maybe starmer would still have won but it would have been a fuck lot closer

One of the great what ifs of LP history.

Reckon bits like this appearing early on would have seriously dented the soft left --> full-on right swing members.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Tell you what though, it's typical of labour left that it didn't leak this report before the last leadership campaign. Maybe starmer would still have won but it would have been a fuck lot closer

Yes the Labour Left are too soft by half.

 

[Plumdaff]

The whole time he was being harangued about it every day he and his team had no clue what was being hidden from him by those dastardly staffers. It was impossible obvs for the leader of the party or someone close to him to to ask to see the complaints that he was interviewed about every day. A sad shambles.

Read the report. They did ask and Iain McNichol produced false reports that cases were being acted on. The whole truth only came to light when Formby was appointed.

However, when questioned by the office of the Leader of the Opposition (LOTO) about
such matters, as the Party’s handling of antisemitism complaints came under
unprecedented media and political scrutiny, senior GLU and GSO staff, including the
General Secretary Iain McNicol, repeatedly:
● Insisted that all complaints were dealt with promptly.
● Justified delays and claimed that outstanding issues would be dealt with soon.
● Provided timetables for the resolution of cases that were never met.
● Falsely claimed to have processed all antisemitism complaints.
● Falsely claimed that most antisemitism complaints the party received were not
about Labour members.
● Provided highly inaccurate statistics of antisemitism complaints.8

 

[agricola]

The whole time he was being harangued about it every day he and his team had no clue what was being hidden from him by those dastardly staffers. It was impossible obvs for the leader of the party or someone close to him to to ask to see the complaints that he was interviewed about every day. A sad shambles.

TBF that the leadership was asking about how complaints were being handled was a specific complaint of theirs, mentioned in that Panorama.

 

[bimble]

It just makes me feel so sad the whole ducking thing. To be (“as a Jew”) used in this way in the whole shitty show for years has been painful and alienating as fuck.

 

[Shechemite]

Lots of private info of complainants in the report which was unredacted before being leaked.

Great stuff this.

 

[tim]

Link

Could you be a bit more specific and point me to what you've written on this particular subject (jews doing undercover black ops for the met in return for the police being on their side)? Very interested in that in particular. Tbh i don't believe you without any evidence so would like to see please.

Be careful bimble you don't want to get on the wrong side of Larry O'Hara. It's amusing what you can come across when googling someone who boasts patronisingly about their authenticity and inside knowledge

Larry O'Hara looses his marbles

I just wish there were still bookshops in which one could get waylaid by aggravated Urbanites

 

[Proper Tidy]

Read the report. They did ask and Iain McNichol produced false reports that cases were being acted on. The whole truth only came to light when Formby was appointed.

Aye. I think there is a slight difference between what bimble is saying/asking and what happened though eg the political and the procedural.

On the political then the labour left and corbyn (the individual/the team) have to hold their hands up, the grim shit that was seized on comes from the shit politics and there was a clear reluctance to interrogate their own politics and political histories to challenge the wider anti imperialist type leftist shit and the specific consequences of that - antisemitism, conspiracism, assadism, the pro russia bollocks.

On the procedural as you set out they were trapped - whether by intent or incompetence on a logistical level it was allowed to fester and accumulate and then used by many, but largely driven by the people who had created the situation, as the rope to hang the labour left with... eg it escalated after formby became gen sec when this was when procedurally it became tighter, but when this was stated in mitigation - these cases predate, we are now dealing - the mitigation tanked, it had no credibility.

Would make a good book if you could get somebody who wasnt a cranky fellow traveler to write it

 

[bimble]

Thank you tim i didn’t expect to be cheered up on this thread, ever, but that was a genuinely cheering read.

 

[The39thStep]

One of the great what ifs of LP history.

Reckon bits like this appearing early on would have seriously dented the soft left --> full-on right swing members.

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Seems like in 2015 even Milliband and Burham were considered too left wing .

 

[brogdale]

Seems like in 2015 even Milliband and Burham were considered too left wing .

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Turns out that the left party of capital really was.

 

[The39thStep]

There; some cracking stuff in there , senior staffers response to Emma Coad winning Kensington

 

[Proper Tidy]

Anybody watch that bbc documentary about the 2017 GE, kinnock the younger looking gutted and his oh the danish technocrat calling him an idiot and telling him to shut the fuck up and smile. Baffles me when people say now 'oh they couldn't even win against may' everybody thought they were going to get twatted by close to triple figure seats then they took fucking kensington

 

[Proper Tidy]

The irony in that bbc doc being that they only did it to watch labour get twatted and the left get fucked out of it of course

 

[mauvais]

I think that last bullet point ('die in a fire') was targeted at max shanley

I'm reading through this shit now and you were right.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Tell you what though, it's typical of labour left that it didn't leak this report before the last leadership campaign. Maybe starmer would still have won but it would have been a fuck lot closer

Precisely. I’ve been having a read of this. Whilst it’s highly unsurprising to learn that the Blairite’s in the party bureaucracy connived to undermine the leadership (mirroring the PLP’s public undermining of the leadership) there is some absolutely cracking material in the report. Whilst I’m not well versed enough in the minutia of who’s who in the LP bureaucracy some of the key players must be team Starmer?

So why wait to lose to Starmer before leaking it? Mason has, laughably, already describes the anonymous report as British politics’ ‘Watergate’. Whilst it’s not that it does reveal nicely the cesspit that is the Labour Party establishment and presumably would have caused at least some members to think about the point of a drift back to dead end centrism?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Be careful bimble you don't want to get on the wrong side of Larry O'Hara. It's amusing what you can come across when googling someone who boasts patronisingly about their authenticity and inside knowledge

Larry O'Hara looses his marbles

I just wish there were still bookshops in which one could get waylaid by aggravated Urbanites

Oh yes Google: the encyclopaedia of the brain dead. And if somebody is maligned on the Internet by a cowardly little shit whose mantra is ‘truth is the enemy’ it must be true mustn’t it? I don’t need to boast, troll, now crawl back down your hole. Just noticed an unintentional irony in your post: Home only wrote this crap after I took issue when I bumped into him in Housmans bookshop and upbraided him for attacking defendants in the GANDALF conspiracy case (Google that). Yet you now use that as part of recycling a slur. Though all this is no doubt wasted on you: for to understand this requires qualities of intelligence perspective and discernment, none of which are to be found on Google. Still, Bimbo liked your post so job done! Now troll off.

 

[Shechemite]

Bimbo

well aren’t you a charm.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

well aren’t you a charm.

Oh sorry, did I get a fake name wrong of somebody who liked a post recycling homophobic abuse? How very remiss of me, bit like a foul shot at croquet.

 

[mauvais]

 

[Shechemite]

Oh sorry, did I get a fake name wrong of somebody who liked a post recycling homophobic abuse? How very remiss of me, bit like a foul shot at croquet.

right

 

[Proper Tidy]

Precisely. I’ve been having a read of this. Whilst it’s highly unsurprising to learn that the Blairite’s in the party bureaucracy connived to undermine the leadership (mirroring the PLP’s public undermining of the leadership) there is some absolutely cracking material in the report. Whilst I’m not well versed enough in the minutia of who’s who in the LP bureaucracy some of the key players must be team Starmer?

So why wait to lose to Starmer before leaking it? Mason has, laughably, already describes the anonymous report as British politics’ ‘Watergate’. Whilst it’s not that it does reveal nicely the cesspit that is the Labour Party establishment and presumably would have caused at least some members to think about the point of a drift back to dead end centrism?

Hadn't thought of mason. Where does he go now, swimming in the same pool as the people named in this. Lol. Delicious tbh, the silly old trendy lecturer cunt

 

[Proper Tidy]

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When all is said and done the labour party is a fucking ridiculous thing isn't it, somehow hundreds of years of labour movement history has largely ended up being about lots of cunts on twitter

 

[bimble]

Reading it now, what a shower of absolute bastards. Purposefully allowing this to balloon so that it became front page news for months and months has I’m convinced led to a real life increase in actual antisemitism of the jews are the crafty enemies of a better society type.

 

[tim]

Oh sorry, did I get a fake name wrong of somebody who liked a post recycling homophobic abuse? How very remiss of me, bit like a foul shot at croquet.

Why do you feel it's acceptable to resort to misogynistic abuse, if you disapprove of homophobic abuse? Anyway the "like" in question doesn't seem to be in the last few pages of this thread, so perhaps you should have provided a link to back up the claim.

Also I think that you'll find nearly everybody posting here uses a "fake name" you and I, at least partially, are rather exceptional.