Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[FridgeMagnet]

Now is not the time to be dragging up things from the past, the party needs to move on and concentrate on backing the Tories.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I'm not sure why he did that tbh. Misguided loyalty? Maybe. Having read Bob from Brockley's post on Williamson, antisemitism is part of a rather unpleasant list.

I haven’t read Bob frommBrockley so he may have unearthed something unpleasant. However I have listened to Williamson’s remarks at the meeting he was suspended for and they are unobjectionable.

 

[Plumdaff]

Williamson clearly hasn't read the part of the report about him which makes it very clear why he needed to be booted out of the party.

What's most grating is the vacuous playground bullying of it all. It's like anti-politics, anti-principles, just vile. And these are the supposed grown-ups in the room. Ugh.

 

[bimble]

Bimble you have got it in one! And shows how utterly wrong fascists are when they see Met Police bigwigs attending BDBJ functions as evidence they are under the Board’s thumb. Whereas it is more gratitude for services rendered (by the CST).

Where did you learn this larry?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The whole thing extends some way beyond antisemitism of course eg



That is censored for some reason but it's not hard to find versions with the names still in.

 

[bimble]

Looks like there's loads of stuff in it that is massively embarrassing for the side who basically won, like historically significant scumbaggery, but most of it seems not relevant to the thing the ehrc are investigating. (i haven't seen the whole thing)

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Looks like there's loads of stuff in it that is massively embarrassing for the side who basically won, like historically significant scumbaggery, but most of it seems not relevant to the thing the ehrc are investigating. (i haven't seen the whole thing)

It seems fairly relevant as it claims that investigations into antisemitism were deliberately held back and disrupted for internal political reasons.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

From extensive research, some of it covertly undertaken (though not by me of course ) : see Notes From the Borderland for an indication of my broad approach. It will be published in time, but not imminently

 

[bimble]

It seems fairly relevant as it claims that investigations into antisemitism were deliberately held back and disrupted for internal political reasons.

Totally yes that bit. But the surrounding evidence of the loathing and ill will that everyone knew was there anyway but sets the scene less so.

 

[bimble]

From extensive research, some of it covertly undertaken: see Notes From the Borderland for an indication of my broad approach. It will be published in time, but not imminently

Could you be a bit more specific and point me to what you've written on this particular subject (jews doing undercover black ops for the met in return for the police being on their side)? Very interested in that in particular. Tbh i don't believe you without any evidence so would like to see please.

 

[Plumdaff]

So 170 complaints of antisemitism against party members weren't looked into while this lot were booting people out for liking something Caroline Lucas said. Two years later, this inaction was blamed on the leadership and the left of the party. There's evidence of Muslim and Jewish party members having their complaints ignored because their politics didn't fit.

 

[bimble]

Stuff that account is sharing is really bad.
Just checking is the idea that these staffers successfully pulled the wool over the eyes of corbyn and his team for years whilst he was being attacked for it day in day out and they successfully fooled him and let all these antisemites get away with it for ages in order to make him look bad later?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Could you be a bit more specific and point me to what you've written on this particular subject (jews doing undercover black ops for the met in return for the police being on their side)? Very interested in that in particular. Tbh i don't believe you without any evidence so would like to see please.

Ah the perils of the internet: whereby somebody you don’t know not using their real name (not saying you should but I do) announces they “don’t believe you”. And demands evidence on Urban indeed. Not saying I blame you, this is the way the internet works is it not.

I will say this though

1. Repeat that this will be published: when I decide though, not others
2. if you return to site you so impressively (or not) scanned in a few minutes ask yourself this question: are the people behind it the type of people who might (just might) be people who could uncover infiltration.
3. When I referred to the CST and infiltration I didn’t say it was necessarily Jews doing it
4. if you pm me, when something is published, I will tell you

 

[Plumdaff]

Stuff that account is sharing is really bad. Just checking is the idea that these staffers successfully pulled the wool over the eyes of corbyn's leadership team to let all these antisemites get away with it for ages in order to make him look bad later?

I don't think it's that wool was being pulled over anyone's eyes it's that everyone knew they were actively working against the leadership but not the detail and extent of it. Also that they didn't act on antisemitism because their political priorities were outing the 'trots' but then they withheld information from the leadership so they could then brief the media about cases and allege the leadership hadn't acted or didn't care. The report isn't saying there was no problem (and I'd add that there were some obvious problems with JC and some of his fellow travellers) but that the problem was cynically ignored and then cynically used.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

So 170 complaints of antisemitism against party members weren't looked into while this lot were booting people out for liking something Caroline Lucas said. Two years later, this inaction was blamed on the leadership and the left of the party. There's evidence of Muslim and Jewish party members having their complaints ignored because their politics didn't fit.

Sorry if I’ve missed this: is the report available online, and where?

 

[bimble]

Ah the perils of the internet: whereby somebody you don’t know not using their real name (not saying you should but I do) announces they “don’t believe you”. And demands evidence on Urban indeed. Not saying I blame you, this is the way the internet works is it not.

I will say this though

1. Repeat that this will be published: when I decide though, not others
2. if you return to site you so impressively (or not) scanned in a few minutes ask yourself this question: are the people behind it the type of people who might (just might) be people who could uncover infiltration.
3. When I referred to the CST and infiltration I didn’t say it was necessarily Jews doing it
4. if you pm me, when something is published, I will tell you

Such mystery! My real name is bimble. Maybe better to not write things like 'the cst do secret spying for the met as part of a faustian deal to get the police onside' before you have your ducks lined up convincingly. When you say published you mean added to your website. You know, keep your tinder dry.

 

[Shechemite]

Ah the perils of the internet: whereby somebody you don’t know not using their real name (not saying you should but I do) announces they “don’t believe you”. And demands evidence on Urban indeed. Not saying I blame you, this is the way the internet works is it not.

I will say this though

1. Repeat that this will be published: when I decide though, not others
2. if you return to site you so impressively (or not) scanned in a few minutes ask yourself this question: are the people behind it the type of people who might (just might) be people who could uncover infiltration.
3. When I referred to the CST and infiltration I didn’t say it was necessarily Jews doing it
4. if you pm me, when something is published, I will tell you

 

[Plumdaff]

Sorry if I’ve missed this: is the report available online, and where?

Link

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Link

Many thanks

 

[belboid]

It's a fun read, I've only got through the bits on Walker & Glenn Secker so far

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Such mystery! My real name is bimble. Maybe better to not write things like 'the cst do secret spying for the met as part of a faustian deal to get the police onside' before you have your ducks lined up convincingly. When you say published you mean added to your website. You know, keep your tinder dry.

No I don’t just mean added to the website. My ducks are lined up but, you know, I have other writing projects first. My choice: and your ‘advice’ on what I should and shouldn’t write noted

 

[bimble]

No I don’t just mean added to the website. My ducks are lined up but, you know, I have other writing projects first. My choice: and your ‘advice’ on what I should and shouldn’t write noted

ok then. 7 crying laughing emojis has put me in my place and no mistake. When yr big reveal on the covert ops by the jews comes out do let us know tho. I am wondering if its their beards that come in handy for the met. Could be a good movie in this.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

ok then. 7 crying laughing emojis has put me in my place and no mistake you carry on.

Actually they were meant to be laughing! But, thank you, I will

 

[Plumdaff]

This investigation has revealed to the Party that in this period, before Jennie Formby
became General Secretary in spring 2018, GLU failed to act on the vast majority of
complaints received, including the vast majority of complaints regarding antisemitic
conduct. Systematically reviewing all letters sent to members by GLU from 1
November 2016 to 19 February 2018, the Party has found that GLU initiated
investigations into just 34 members in relation to antisemitism in this period. More
than 300 complaints relating to antisemitism appear to have been received, however.
At least half of these warranted action, many of them in relation to very extreme
forms of antisemitism, but were ignored.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

ok then. 7 crying laughing emojis has put me in my place and no mistake. When yr big reveal on the covert ops by the jews comes out do let us know tho. I am wondering if its their beards that come in handy for the met. Could be a good movie in this.

See point 3 of post 3673.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Remind me: who was Gen Sec before Formby and were they anti-Corbyn?

 

[bimble]

Systematically reviewing all letters sent to members by GLU from 1
November 2016 to 19 February 2018, the Party has found that GLU initiated investigations into just 34 members in relation to antisemitism in this period. More than 300 complaints relating to antisemitism appear to have been received, however. At least half of these warranted action, many of them in relation to very extreme forms of antisemitism, but were ignored.

The whole time he was being harangued about it every day he and his team had no clue what was being hidden from him by those dastardly staffers. It was impossible obvs for the leader of the party or someone close to him to to ask to see the complaints that he was interviewed about every day. A sad shambles.

 

[William of Walworth]

Remind me: who was Gen Sec before Formby and were they anti-Corbyn?

I'd forgotten too, but it was Iain McNicol

 

[Larry O'Hara]

I'd forgotten too, but it was Iain McNicol

I see: a nasty right wing shit. All adds up!

 

[mauvais]

I think it's time I filled in that union form to bin off the political affiliation, or possibly the union altogether TBF.