Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[butchersapron]

Alex Wickham, guido's servant boy.

 

[brogdale]

Alex Wickham, guido's servant boy.

Indeed; and sat on for many months...but...the silly (pissed up?) fuckers only have themselves to blame.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Christ. Obviously doing it anyway is grim but how thick would you have to be to do it in presence of a tory ex guido staffer.

As aside, is Connor McGinn the one who's dad is a sinn fein councillor?

 

[agricola]

Things must be desperate if they have gotten as far down the list as Conor McGinn.

 

[teqniq]

Interesting:

 

[ska invita]

This one seemed unfair no?
Labour candidate steps down after comparing Israel to 'abusive adult'

 

[redsquirrel]

After yesterday's fuckup Freedland goes on the offensive:

Many Jews want Boris Johnson out. But how can we vote for Jeremy Corbyn? | Jonathan Freedland

Notice that piece not open for comments. What a weasely prick, he doesn't even address yesterdays fuck up.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Ammo is not in short supply...

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Other people on the bus apparently now saying this never happened. Eg



(Somehow Carden is made out to still be at fault though for not denying in the right way or something.)

 

[brogdale]

Other people on the bus apparently now saying this never happened.

I think we can see why they might.

 

[butchersapron]

Even Dan Hodges calls bs.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh.

Shit.

 

[agricola]

Even Dan Hodges calls bs.

Wait, does that mean that its true?

 

[binka]

Since it repeatedly happened and Wickham was sat right behind them then I'm sure he had plenty of time to get his phone out and record it, you know like a proper journalist would

 

[Proper Tidy]

The initial Carden response quoted in Wickham's BuzzFeed piece is weak as fuck though, not a denial - but then this is what Wickham has reported not from horses mouth. If no substance at all then has to be legal action

 

[brogdale]

The initial Carden response quoted in Wickham's BuzzFeed piece is weak as fuck though, not a denial - but then this is what Wickham has reported not from horses mouth. If no substance at all then has to be legal action

This was a coach full of journalists and MPs. If anyone genuinely believed any antisemitic behaviour had taken place, they would’ve had a moral responsibility to report it immediately. Yet this allegation is only made now when a general election is imminent. I stand by my record as an antiracist campaigner. I would never be part of any behaviour that undermines my commitment to fighting racism in all its forms

As you say, not the most trenchant denial at all.
How fucking dumb to lark around, pissed-up on a bus with journos on it.

 

[killer b]

but he says he didn't do it?

 

[Proper Tidy]

New to me that MPs and hacks all get jolly days out to get pissed at the races too, what the fuck. Is this paid from public money? Dunno why I'm asking really, it must be

 

[Proper Tidy]

but he says he didn't do it?

Well in the wickham piece he (or his spokesman) doesn't really. His subsequent twitter denial is less wooly but not much, maybe he's just not great with words but something like 'this categorically didn't happen and I am speaking to my legal representative' would be more satisfactory

 

[brogdale]

but he says he didn't do it?

quite possible that he believes that to be the truth; quite possible that it isn't

 

[butchersapron]

His spokesperson was giving a generic politician defence they are trained to do if involved in anything where accusations of discrimination or prejudice are leveled. When the actual bloke has woken up he's straight up said it didn't happen.


Remember, the accusation isn't that he changed one word on the chorus but chanted JEWS JEWS JEWS. And none of the other journos noticed it, or if they did said it happened even when questioned on it by Hodges well prior to this - for some reason.

 

[agricola]

quite possible that he believes that to be the truth; quite possible that it isn't

Its also possible Wickham will claim that he was singing it in German

 

[Pickman's model]

Its also possible Wickham will claim that he was singing it in German

with hand movements and everything

 

[brogdale]

Its also possible Wickham will claim that he was singing it in German

Trouble being; the damage is already done, Corbyn's been questioned on the stump about and, given the current context, it's all too believable.

 

[agricola]

Trouble being; the damage is already done, Corbyn's been questioned on the stump about and, given the current context, it's all too believable.

I'd agree it is believable if it had just happened, but the circumstances of that report are almost designed to make it unbelievable.

 

[N_igma]

As aside, is Connor McGinn the one who's dad is a sinn fein councillor?

His dad is a former Sinn Fein councillor and mayor of Newry. They’re good friends of my family and I know both personally.

Conor hasn’t really done himself any favours though since he joined ranks with the Labour Party. He’s gone from Sinn Fein Youth activist to fan boy of the MoD which is quite shocking truth be told.

 

[killer b]

Well in the wickham piece he (or his spokesman) doesn't really. His subsequent twitter denial is less wooly but not much, maybe he's just not great with words but something like 'this categorically didn't happen and I am speaking to my legal representative' would be more satisfactory

he's categorically denied it happening. he says it isn't true. this weird analysis that's been all over the internet this afternoon about his denial being some kind of non-denial is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Pickman's model]

His dad is a former Sinn Fein councillor and mayor of Newry. They’re good friends of my family and I know both personally.

Conor hasn’t really done himself any favours though since he joined ranks with the Labour Party. He’s gone from Sinn Fein Youth activist to fan boy of the MoD which is quite shocking truth be told.

from ogra shinn fein to join the people who introduced criminalisation? that's quite a step

 

[Proper Tidy]

he's categorically denied it happening. he says it isn't true. this weird analysis that's been all over the internet this afternoon about his denial being some kind of non-denial is fucking ridiculous.

Well it comes from the initial response in the wickham piece being very clearly a non-denial, although as BA says this is probably just standard spokesperson stuff

 

[Cid]

As you say, not the most trenchant denial at all.
How fucking dumb to lark around, pissed-up on a bus with journos on it.

Yes but the bit not quoted says ‘I have been categorical in my denial about allegations relating to a coach trip some twenty months ago.’

 

[butchersapron]

Well it comes from the initial response in the wickham piece being very clearly a non-denial, although as BA says this is probably just standard spokesperson stuff

And wickham primed/led people to it by highlighting the intentional bit in the spokespersons (probably 4am reply). Basically Wickham said look people this is what you can run with...go do it.