brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
In a self-selecting group of people drawn together by racist beliefs I can’t see why you’d choose to specifically reference the unpleasantness of one, single sex subset.
Keir Starmer's time is up
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Because unpleasant autistic men are a target group for PA, and generally us autistic people aren’t sadistic nazi nonce types
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Their ‘appeal’ to autism (and they do this) is based on the sort of deeply unpleasant mindsets you find in some autistic (almost exclusively male) people. Superiority, sexual entitlement/rage at sexual rejection, resentment of ‘normies’.
I’d prefer to know what the recruitment strategies of Hitler idolising cults were.
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I’d prefer to know what the recruitment strategies of Hitler idolising cults were.
Teenage Satanist and far-right extremist sentenced for terrorism offences
Harry Vaughan posted bomb-making manuals online and also committed child abuse image offences
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Without linking to very unpleasant material I’m not sure what more I can say. Those who move in the same circles as that yoga teacher make a big thing about being autistic, and claim a link between autism and far right views (Edward Dutton, a deeply unpleasant autistic man, has produced material on the latter)
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
If groups like this target autistic people that is a valid observation, but saying "there are some very unpleasant autistic men" appears simply unnecessary when commenting on those organising around deeply repugnant world views.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The more you say about this, the more uncomfortable I'm finding this. With the exception of "resentment of ‘normies", these would appear to be antisocial attributes that might be found widely in society and almost certainly in higher concentrations in groups drawn together by an antisocial world view. I don't understand why you'd feel it necessary to draw attention to the 'unpleasantness' of a sub-set of followers that happen to be autistic.Their ‘appeal’ to autism (and they do this) is based on the sort of deeply unpleasant mindsets you find in some autistic (almost exclusively male) people. Superiority, sexual entitlement/rage at sexual rejection, resentment of ‘normies’.
I’d prefer to know what the recruitment strategies of Hitler idolising cults were.
Teenage Satanist and far-right extremist sentenced for terrorism offences
Harry Vaughan posted bomb-making manuals online and also committed child abuse image offences
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Right ho, odd thing to get upset about
He did talk about racism?? Just not on the caller's race oriented terms. He talked (in an unfocused non committal way, he is Sir Keith after all) about real issues not the made up ones the caller was on about. That was absolutely not the time and place to start trying to debunk replacement theory and it would have had a knock on effect on BLM if he had tried. People are going to listen to this stuff because it plays to their fears and that's not going to change if you unpick some of the details in a couple minutes on a phone in. Starmer made BLM look like they are harmless to white people (which they are of course) and that's exactly the opposite of the caller's implication. Job well done.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
v interesting - may be missing something obvs, but why do we think it's fallen off a cliff ( temporarily or otherwise ), Oct - Dec ?
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
The state of this:I’d prefer to know what the recruitment strategies of Hitler idolising cults were.
Teenage Satanist and far-right extremist sentenced for terrorism offences
Harry Vaughan posted bomb-making manuals online and also committed child abuse image offences
Child pornography, Nazi posters on the walls, explosives manuals, terrorist forums, etc.
I don't know what's more shocking - that he got a suspended sentence or that his parents didn't have a clue.
I'd heard about Kingston juries, I didn't realise they took their cue from the bench
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
If this year has taught me anything, it really is that most anarchists are just wet bloody liberals
He didn’t talk about racism. He made a decent case about continuing to take a knee to highlight the need to oppose racism. But he didn’t talk about it, he just took it as read that everyone thinks racism is bad. Anyone listening who didn’t already agree with him would just think he ignored the question about white people becoming a minority in ‘our own’ country. Because he did. It only required a brief retort Along the lines of ‘people have been saying that since the war, that white people would be a minority by the eighties, the turn of the century, whenever, but it’s just not true’. Ignoring it does nothing to change the terms of the debate and just risks further alienating victims of racism.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Me too. Are you still in the Labour Party by the way?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Yup, and I’ll probably stay till they kick me out. Costs little, I pick up a few bits of useful info and it’s slightly irritating to some of the right.
splonkydoo
Well-Known Member
It's disappointing seeing folk fall in to the centrist soup over this one. It was never just about being cautious about getting stuck in on someone elses terms, but the fact you also had thousands of people listening in and he didn't use one word to rebut the 'great replacement' conspiracy. It's very simple.
If his utmost concern was to keep things civil he could even have quickly said, even after this caller logged off, 'Look, I just want to briefly go back for one second before moving on, because this 'great replacement' idea is very pernicious..'
But no. This is what happens when you focus group the shit out of everything, want to please everyone except the left, and are consequently left being a bit too accommodating in the face of what turns out to be a full-blown white-nationalist.
If his utmost concern was to keep things civil he could even have quickly said, even after this caller logged off, 'Look, I just want to briefly go back for one second before moving on, because this 'great replacement' idea is very pernicious..'
But no. This is what happens when you focus group the shit out of everything, want to please everyone except the left, and are consequently left being a bit too accommodating in the face of what turns out to be a full-blown white-nationalist.
Treacle Toes
Time
I wasn't aware until now having heard a longer clip that the lovely ethno-nationalist Gemma from Cambridge also said that her hubby had been at the MIllwall game and joined in with the booing...Well colour me surprised.
splonkydoo
Well-Known Member
I'd reckon that bit was probably/most likely made up just so as to get on to ask the question in the first place.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
I'm just wondering if the risk of repeating this traumatic incident is what terrified sir keith:
www.independent.co.uk
The Gordon Brown ‘bigotgate’ transcript in full, 10 years on
Today marks anniversary of then-prime minister calling Rochdale voter ‘a bigoted woman’
www.independent.co.uk
I've never read that full exchange before - pretty interesting 'cause although Brown calls it a disaster after he gets into the car, its actually difficult to imagine a party leader as on top of the detail as he was in that exchange now.I'm just wondering if the risk of repeating this traumatic incident is what terrified sir keith:
The Gordon Brown ‘bigotgate’ transcript in full, 10 years on
Today marks anniversary of then-prime minister calling Rochdale voter ‘a bigoted woman’
Treacle Toes
Time
Could be right
...even so...these fuckers know what they're doing. I was also struck by her saying twice 'we're probably quite ignorant about the whole thing' , 'bear with me' , calmly setting the scene, and then going on to very clearly lay out her White Supremacist thinking as if it was the only logical next step...
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I'd guess its a combination of Johnson calling him "Captain Hindsight" (which although childish is a criticism that can be made when Starmer isn't actually saying what he would do instead about COVID and quite a few other things), the newness wearing off and in the last few months the row with Corbs (or rather Labour appearing to be split again).
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The revisionist Starmer clique has suspended Liverpool momentum Merseyside activist Alan Gibbons. Unclear why at this stage, but it seems pretty kafkaesque.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Jefferson.
ska invita
back on the other side
“Judgement does not come suddenly; the proceedings gradually merge into the judgement.”
― Franz Kafka, The Trial
― Franz Kafka, The Trial
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Apologies Jefferson!
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