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Keir Starmer's time is up
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Gramsci
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"A “secondary palette” has been composed to match messaging relating to Labour’s “missions”. They are “growth pink”, “green energy green”, “NHS blue”, “policing yellow” and “opportunity purple”."
Keir Starmer faces discontent as Labour MPs reject union jack election flyers
Exclusive: Members say flag may alienate ethnic minority voters as some associate it with far rightwww.theguardian.com
As election for Mayor and London Assembly are coming on 2nd May I got a few leaflets this week from Labour. No Union Jacks on either of them. So maybe this will not happen.
Or as article suggests some in Labour want a "segmented" approach to how leaflets look.
Unnamed MPs said:
I'm in inner London seat that is heavily BAME.
Leaflets I got are Red. And Sadiq is standing on programme that could be seen as left
Council Housing, free school meals, climate change, standard of living for Londoners, more neighbourhood policing is on leaflet as what he will deliver- "A better fairer greener London"
Nothing about "business" as such. But bread and butter issues for Londoners.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Starmer's affectation about how 'some of my family are working class' comes across as less about him having any real understanding, affinity and solidarity with working class people and more like racists who say 'one of my best friends is Black'.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Sounds like we got the same leaflet in Tottenham.
Makes sense for the upcoming London Mayoral and Assembly elections.
Sticking Starmer's face on anything would be an overall vote loser.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
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FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I was looking at some of the videos and assorted internet shit people were making just a few years ago about Labour e.g.
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It reminded me that there was that brief period when there was actually a feeling that there could be some pushback, however minor, against a transparently unjust system via mainstream politics - and also that that gave us an opportunity to go further.
That shit really didn't last long did it.
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It reminded me that there was that brief period when there was actually a feeling that there could be some pushback, however minor, against a transparently unjust system via mainstream politics - and also that that gave us an opportunity to go further.
That shit really didn't last long did it.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Interesting from the Forde Report:
Has anyone else read the Forde Report? Half way through and I have to say that it is very strangely worded - all the way through it talks about factionalism under Corbyn, implying and sometimes just stating that it was Corbyn's fault.
It didn't seem to recognize that one 'faction' was led by the Leader of the Opposition and Labour leader properly voted in and aimed to get broadly democratic socialist policies implemented, and the other 'faction' was the right of the party deliberately working against this and often in bad faith.
Has anyone else read the Forde Report? Half way through and I have to say that it is very strangely worded - all the way through it talks about factionalism under Corbyn, implying and sometimes just stating that it was Corbyn's fault.
It didn't seem to recognize that one 'faction' was led by the Leader of the Opposition and Labour leader properly voted in and aimed to get broadly democratic socialist policies implemented, and the other 'faction' was the right of the party deliberately working against this and often in bad faith.
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Gramsci
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I agree.
What I found interesting about the leaflet was that I also got one from my local MP Helen Hayes at same time. So effectively endorsing his campaign.
What his campaign is saying is not part of what Starmer has been saying recently.
It is outlining promises that left of Labour party voters could get behind.
Sadiq is fairly quiet and uncontroversial to the point of being invisible as a Mayor.
So can get way with this line on his leaflets. He is not directly criticising Starmer leadership publicly.
Problem is what if Labour gets into power and tells Sadiq no money for Council housing?
Read this by James Medway today and agree with this:
Labour Will End Neoliberalism. Just Not in a Good Way | Novara Media
Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has been compared to Margaret Thatcher. But that's just spin, writes James Meadway.
novaramedia.com
A lot of local politicians ( including my Labour Council ) blame everything on Tories and say vote Labour. But Starmer and Reeves keep saying no magic money tree etc when they get into power.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
This has very possibly occurred to me before, and I'm sure already has to many others, but it just clicked that Starmer's PM-ship could start with 4 years of a Trump presidency.
That will, of course, but absolutely horrendous, but it'll be interesting to see just what course he navigates between 'maintaining the special relationship' and, y'know, a madman and his cronies in charge of the US
That will, of course, but absolutely horrendous, but it'll be interesting to see just what course he navigates between 'maintaining the special relationship' and, y'know, a madman and his cronies in charge of the US
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Don’t do X but have been shown a wonderful thread on Nafeez Ahmed’s feed of Starmer having a meal with selected Muslim ccollaborators (like him). The comments are mint!
ska invita
back on the other side
its a slightly misleading downplaying headline as the key numbers are 532,000 to 366,602 with a constant downward trajectory since 2019...so 166,000 less members - that's about the amount of members the Tory party has in total
Labour membership falls by 23,000 over Gaza and green policies
Party claims financial position still strong as it continues to hold a commanding lead in opinion polls
Oh dear.
GarveyLives
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Twenty Lancashire councillors have resigned their Labour memberships in protest over the party's leadership.
The councillors each sit on Pendle Borough Council, Nelson Town Council or Brierfield Town Council.
They claim that the leadership of Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP no longer reflects their views and say that they will now serve as independents:
Pendle Borough Council leader and 20 councillors resign from Labour party over 'bullying' claims
(Source: Sunday Times)
Councillor Asjad Mahmood said: "As a Labour councillor, I have always felt that the party’s policies were aligned with my own beliefs and those of the constituents who have honoured me with their votes. Sadly, over a recent period, senior party officials have attempted to impose their ideas at a local level. I was elected to serve the public, not party officials."
The councillors each sit on Pendle Borough Council, Nelson Town Council or Brierfield Town Council.
They claim that the leadership of Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP no longer reflects their views and say that they will now serve as independents:
Pendle Borough Council leader and 20 councillors resign from Labour party over 'bullying' claims
(Source: Sunday Times)
Councillor Asjad Mahmood said: "As a Labour councillor, I have always felt that the party’s policies were aligned with my own beliefs and those of the constituents who have honoured me with their votes. Sadly, over a recent period, senior party officials have attempted to impose their ideas at a local level. I was elected to serve the public, not party officials."
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
It may not be entirely a surprise to learn they're bing a bit misleading there - last month they were bragging about a record year in 2023 thanks to a handful of big private donors. So it might be accurate to say they no longer have as many regular donations, but they're making up for it by selling themselves to millionaires.
inews.co.uk
Labour’s election war chest boosted by £13m with record personal donations
Autoglass tycoon Gary Lubner makes biggest single gift of £4.5m, saying he wants to help keep Starmer’s party in power 'for a long time'
inews.co.uk
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
then theres all the staffers on loan from various cunt outfits. Anything other than member money is good, unions caved so those p's are in regardless...
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
FWIW the thing about the 2017 General Election is that there wasn't the factional conflict that we saw before or afterwards - they had the bright idea of letting him / "the left" run that campaign solo in order for Corbs to have to own the monstrous kicking that May would hand out. They all shut up, went away, looked after their own affairs etc instead and waited for the crash.
This had the dual effect of making Labour look much less divided than it was, but more importantly it considerably improved the quality of the campaign because it was no longer reliant on people who had limited ability in national politics and less ability at winning things on a national level. In 2019 they recognized their mistake, which was when the factionalism really did kick in for several people now ennobled.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I suspect that this is a fake.Someone on reddit saying they got begging email from Labour
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how could this happen with such a charismatic leader and such popular policies?
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Labour aims to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP
Starmer’s comments come before visit to Barrow, where he is to promise nuclear deterrent is ‘bedrock’ of security plan
I’d rather we spend on the NHS, housing and education not nuclear missiles and war.
Labour aims to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP
Starmer’s comments come before visit to Barrow, where he is to promise nuclear deterrent is ‘bedrock’ of security plan
I’d rather we spend on the NHS, housing and education not nuclear missiles and war.
There was me thinking that there was no money, silly me.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
There’s a magic tree that grows guns
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Is this what he believes in or is it a way of winning votes?Labour aims to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP
Starmer’s comments come before visit to Barrow, where he is to promise nuclear deterrent is ‘bedrock’ of security plan
I’d rather we spend on the NHS, housing and education not nuclear missiles and war.
I cannot vote for a party that does this.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Presumably it's something he/they believe will win votes.
But I don't imagine Starmer will feel he's compromising his principles in any way to do it.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
His whole thing is a pitch for a presumed idea of an angry red wall Voter isn't it.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Clearly you are a middle class leftieLabour aims to raise defence spending to 2.5% of GDP
Starmer’s comments come before visit to Barrow, where he is to promise nuclear deterrent is ‘bedrock’ of security plan
I’d rather we spend on the NHS, housing and education not nuclear missiles and war.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Britain is spending £54.2bn on defence this year.
GDP in 2023 was £2,690bn, so 2.5% is £67.25bn
So he's suggesting an annual boost of £13bn per annum.
The green investment pledge he ditched because it would be "too expensive" was going to be worth £28bn per annum.
Conclusion: He's specifically redirected a full half of the budget designed to make UK industry and utilities ready for the inevitable need to ditch fossil fuel dependency towards a fictional scenario in which Britain faces invasion (in reality a scenario where Britain's ruling class will be trying to keep up with the Joneses in a pointless willy-waving compeition).
In the household parlance politicians are so fond of, he's spending the roof fund on Christmas lights. "The adults are back in the room."
GDP in 2023 was £2,690bn, so 2.5% is £67.25bn
So he's suggesting an annual boost of £13bn per annum.
The green investment pledge he ditched because it would be "too expensive" was going to be worth £28bn per annum.
Conclusion: He's specifically redirected a full half of the budget designed to make UK industry and utilities ready for the inevitable need to ditch fossil fuel dependency towards a fictional scenario in which Britain faces invasion (in reality a scenario where Britain's ruling class will be trying to keep up with the Joneses in a pointless willy-waving compeition).
In the household parlance politicians are so fond of, he's spending the roof fund on Christmas lights. "The adults are back in the room."
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Presumably they think defence is an upcoming Tory attack line and they think not scaring Tory-turned-potential-Labour voters is more important than all that Green nonsense.
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