Keir Starmer's time is up
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Paul Kegan
As in comedy, the essence of Starmer politics is timing.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
When I was kid I heard the Shakespeare lines below and was convinced it was about a posh loaf. By the same token, when I first heard of Howard's End...
Gramsci
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'Voters are unconvinced by Starmer and Sunak. Apathy may win big in 2024' - LabourList
After a chaotic conference season and an underwhelming King’s Speech failed to improve the Conservatives’ position in the…
labourlist.org
Had a look at Labour List about something else. And this came up
Not a great fan of Labour party use of focus groups. But the even Labour List put this in the article:
Reminds me Pickman's model has posted on here that the next election isn't a certain win for Labour due to people seeing through Starmer.
Think Pickmans model could be correct.
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Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i'm also far from convinced. think i've said somewhere it still feels more 1992 than 1997 - people are pissed off with the tories, but there doesn't seem to be any enthusiasm for starmer. not sure he's had a kinnock moment or two yet, but there's still time...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
he's had a few. Not the falling in the sea ho ho bits either, the substance stuff which really counts above confected media gaffes.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yes, the lack thereof on key matters.sorry, keir starmer and 'substance' in the same sentence?
Michael Gove and 'substance' have been used in the same sentence so...sorry, keir starmer and 'substance' in the same sentence?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
He's shit the bed on everything that would catch him flack from the billionaires rags. Demonstrated at every turn that that for him and the 10d chess masters, lying down and failing to represent your voters is 'canny politics'. Funding the party via huge wedges from whig businessmen and opportunists who see which way the wind is blowing, this is the softly softly wiseman right. Almost nobody has the time for any of these wankers to start appreciating the wreck, the deprivation, the everything-is-broken-and-heres-a-QR Code anyway state of basic living in this polity.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Even on his own twisted terms, he's fucking useless. He is The Thick of It made real - choose two tory policies and agree with them, then the tories reverse tack and he's left trying to defend the now dumped piece of evil shit.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Shammer's sub stance is surely shitsorry, keir starmer and 'substance' in the same sentence?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. Doesn't really add much to a thread where everyone has already called him a twat. Everyone else is pointing out how he's wrong, how he's got no principles. How he's really only differed from many tory policies by complaining about their inefficiency. I don't know what sort of strong leader you'd like but i think you'll be on your own in seeking such a person. For my money, I think labour voters and people who'd like to be Labour voters would prefer to see someone who is more collegial in their leadership, who involves people from across the party in decision-making on issues like Palestine, who sees Labour as a broad church and the socialist campaign group as a core part of that. As it is we have someone who if he becomes prime minister would be a positive menace to the future of not only the country but the wider world through his insistence on growing the economy - which we all know means fucking the environment beyond all reasonable boundaries.
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
They're nowhere near Blair/New Labour in terms of their messaging - as much as we might not like it they were very clear what they were about. I still think they'll win though because the Tories are beyond '97 let alone '92 in terms of how fucked up they are. I can't see them getting together any sort of coherent campaign beyond 'wokey-wokey-woke-woke' and 'bomb the boats'.
skyscraper101
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And Labour have a way more electable leader now than Corbyn.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
While I don't think Corbyn was a very good leader, I will lay a bet right now that Starmer won't get a statistically significantly greater amount of the vote (by which I mean +/-2%) than Corbyn did in 2017.
skyscraper101
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
well yes, but Starmer hasn't got every major newspaper splashing that he's an anti-semite across the front page daily.
skyscraper101
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Exactly. As I said, way more electable.
Plumdaff
joy in people
Starmer won't get this easy a ride from the Tory press once an election is close. And unlike Corbyn - who had a not big enough minority who really liked him - is there anyone who actually has any positive feelings about Starmer at all?
He's a really soft target and the big fear is that while he may be saved by the Tories may being too fucked to make hay from this pre election Farage and his latest far right mash up will be well placed to do so immediately afterwards.
He's a really soft target and the big fear is that while he may be saved by the Tories may being too fucked to make hay from this pre election Farage and his latest far right mash up will be well placed to do so immediately afterwards.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Unherd is a cesspit but seemingly the one place willing to publish Michael Crick's reportage on the vote rigging for selections
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