Keir Starmer's time is up

[krtek a houby]

Going back pre Blair not nearly so much as it is today. I think the likes of Wilson and Foot cared and wanted to make a difference.

Meh. Wilson sent troops into the 6 counties.

 

[PTK]

Siobhain McDonagh is the one I’m after

This is the Labour MP who claims that to be anti-capitalist is to be anti-Jewish.

Siobhain McDonagh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[PTK]

Meh. Wilson sent troops into the 6 counties.

Under Wilson in the 1960s the UK waged a secret war against left-wing rebels in Oman who were fighting a feudal Sultan.

 

[kabbes]

How did my MP vote on Gaza ceasefire?

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer suffered a rebellion over the party's stance on the Israel-Gaza conflict. See how your MP voted.

www.bbc.co.uk

Disappointed to see that Sir Paul ignored my impassioned email on the matter

 

[Pickman's model]

Going back pre Blair not nearly so much as it is today. I think the likes of Wilson and Foot cared and wanted to make a difference.

everyone wants to make a difference. everybody wants change. the only problem is that we want to make a positive difference and see positive change. they don't.

 

[TopCat]

This is the Labour MP who claims that to be anti-capitalist is to be anti-Jewish.

Siobhain McDonagh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The local CLP is very much in her image.
Her constituency has changed in the decade I have lived here Europes biggest mosque has attracted a lot of their faithful to move nearby. She won’t get my vote

 

[hash tag]

everyone wants to make a difference. everybody wants change. the only problem is that we want to make a positive difference and see positive change. they don't.

Fair point, but Starting somewhere, you might as well start at the top. I'm not sure sunak wants change and certainly not for the general good. If he does want change it will only be for his rich buddies.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Thinks; if Labour win next election who will make up the cabinet bearing in mind how many have walked out of the Gaza issue.
To win the next election, they will need a majority of approx. 320 and currently hold just over 200 seats. Also they have not been in power for ages
meaning they will have well over 100 new, young, inexperienced MP's. Where will the new cabinet come from?

Look up the top ten recipients of private sector donations in the PLP, that's your new government.

 

[TopCat]

Look up the top ten recipients of private sector donations in the PLP, that's your new government.

Could you just list them please

 

[SpookyFrank]

Could you just list them please

No because I can't do complicated spreadsheet-fu on my phone while I'm on the train.

It's all here:

https: //docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q2UE_kKlptcNd8iKbTqLPioDyy88kSc3KEbf57K5LvM/edit#gid=2034416405

E2a link broken to avoid posting whole spreadsheet.

 

[two sheds]

everyone wants to make a difference. everybody wants change. the only problem is that we want to make a positive difference and see positive change. they don't.

That's not wholly fair. They want to see positive change for themselves and their kind.

 

[ska invita]

It's too much to take

 

[mojo pixy]

They all just fucking hate us don't they.

 

[PR1Berske]

From the Guardian

Keir Starmer has said Jeremy Corbyn’s “days as a Labour MP are over” after the former party leader repeatedly refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation.

Starmer said his predecessor, who lost the party whip in 2020, would not stand as a Labour MP at “the next election or any election”.

Corbyn was repeatedly asked in an interview on TalkTV’s Piers Morgan Uncensored programme on Monday whether he thought Hamas was a terrorist group. But the Islington North MP, a vocal critic of the Israeli government, avoided the question.


Hamas – which was responsible for killing 1,200 people in Israel on 7 October and kidnapping a further 240 – are proscribed as a terrorist group in the UK and support for them is banned.

Starmer, asked on the News Agents podcast whether the interview would preclude Corbyn from standing for Labour again, said: “He won’t stand as a Labour MP at the next election or any election. His days as a Labour MP are over. We have a changed party.”

Corbyn had already been blocked from running again. He had the Labour whip in parliament removed in October 2020 over his response to the equalities watchdog report on antisemitism in the party during his tenure as leader. He sits as an independent MP but remains a Labour member. He has indicated he could run against the party in the next general election in his seat, where he has significant support.


How the Israel-Hamas conflict is dividing the UK Labour party
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Starmer – who served in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet – said he was “taken aback and shocked” by his predecessor’s refusal to describe Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

“It reaffirmed in me why it is so important to me and to this changed Labour party that Jeremy Corbyn does not sit as a Labour MP and will not be a candidate at the next election for the Labour party,” he said. “That is how far we have changed as the Labour party.”

Starmer faced a bruising week on the issue of the Israel-Hamas war after a major rebellion in the Commons against the party’s position of calling for pauses in the violence but not going so far as to demand a ceasefire.

He had put Labour MPs on a three-line whip not to vote for a Scottish National party (SNP) motion calling for an immediate cessation of hostilities.


However, 56 of his MPs defied the order,including 10 shadow ministers and parliamentary aides.

Afzal Khan, Yasmin Qureshi, Paula Barker and Naz Shah were among the shadow junior ministers who resigned on Wednesday after abstaining from the vote, while Jess Phillips, Rachel Hopkins, Sarah Owen and Andy Slaughter left their frontbench roles after backing the amendment.

Starmer insisted there was “no unconditional support for Israel” as it fought Hamas in a conflict where more than 11,000 people have been killed in Gaza. He said civilians and hospitals “must be protected” and international law upheld.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Meh. Wilson sent troops into the 6 counties.

But not Vietnam…

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

They all just fucking hate us don't they.

To be fair, we hate them too.

 

[Humberto]

They all just fucking hate us don't they.

They don't actually represent us in a real sense. I expect that is why it is seemingly so strenuous for them to even appear sincere. The problem is the Tories have dragged us further into mayhem, and Labour have shadowed them narrowly. It's vestiges and continuation of class strictures, and as I say, imo, they accomodate the narrow interests of the ruling class and therefore are totally unreliable in terms of hope or progress. The best of them become quickly marginalised and few of them have the depth and breadth required. It's a venality and lack of concern beyond themselves, vanity and poor standards. They are neither leaders, representatives or trustworthy.

 

[RD2003]

They all just fucking hate us don't they.

Perhaps, but they're mostly driven by an understanding that there is no 'us.'

 

[SpookyFrank]

To be fair, we hate them too.

Yes but that, they've fucking earned.

 

[mojo pixy]

Perhaps, but they're mostly driven by an understanding that there is no 'us.'

An attitude, at least. Driven by an impulse. Whether that amounts to the same as an understanding I'd contest.

More understanding and less attitude would actually be a good thing in politics.

 

[_Russ_]

That shtick is really tired and I suspect includes a whole lot of projection as he is hardly salt of the earth himself.

"Sourdough socialists" - a loaf of sourdough bread is 2 quid from the co-op. Warburtons toasty white bread is £1.55. This is hardly the preserve of the elite that he seems to think it is. What next, "Stella socialists" who go for the "reassuringly expensive" Stella Artois instead of a cheaper John Smiths? What a load of crap.

That 45p difference is choice decider for a great many people, your thought that it is of so little consequence that you use it to illustrate a piffling consideration is telling
Are you a tory

 

[Rimbaud]

That 45p difference is choice decider for a great many people, your thought that it is of so little consequence that you use it to illustrate a piffling consideration is telling
Are you a tory

I'm sure it is to some people, but choosing to splash out an extra 45p for a fancier bread hardly makes you part of the elite.

 

[two sheds]

thin end of the wedge mate, you start there and then begin using butter ...

 

[Serge Forward]

thin end of the wedge mate, you start there and then begin using butter ...

And butter is for the bosses, proper socialists use margarine - I can't believe it's not socialism.

 

[brogdale]

Is it OK to admit to getting the Crusty Rye Sourdough Bloomer for £0.00 when I've stacked up the points on the Lidl thingy?

Or have I just outed myself (again)?

 

[Sue]

Is it OK to admit to getting the Crusty Rye Sourdough Bloomer for £0.00 when I've stacked up the points on the Lidl thingy?

Or have I just outed myself (again)?

Capitalist running dog.

 

[two sheds]

not with a load of sourdough in him he won't be

 

[redsquirrel]

And butter is for the bosses, proper socialists use margarine - I can't believe it's not socialism.

Margarine - lard surely!

 

[Serge Forward]

Margarine - lard surely!

Extra virgin first pressing guy, me

That said, I miss cooking in lard.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I'm sure it is to some people, but choosing to splash out an extra 45p for a fancier bread hardly makes you part of the elite.

Pfft, I bet you've got a flat screen telly and everything haven't you, you millionaire.