Keir Starmer's time is up

[belboid]

Not sure what you're trying to imply here - some sort of shadowy Jewish conspiracy?

When surely the basics are that Israel is a longstanding military ally of the US, is a useful regional balance to the likes of Iran, etc. Plus the significant Jewish vote in the US. On the right, the fundamentalists are also pro-Israel for their own loony apocalyptic reasons. It's not that different to how the US and western allies back the Saudis no matter what they do.

It's definitely a Jewish conspiracy according to Dwyer, promoting antisemitism being the only reason he is here.

btw, the Jewish vote in the US is now probably smaller than the Arab vote, so I'm not are thats a major factor. Bang on with your other points tho.

 

[phildwyer]

Not sure what you're trying to imply here - some sort of shadowy Jewish conspiracy?

When surely the basics are that Israel is a longstanding military ally of the US, is a useful regional balance to the likes of Iran, etc. Plus the significant Jewish vote in the US. On the right, the fundamentalists are also pro-Israel for their own loony apocalyptic reasons. It's not that different to how the US and western allies back the Saudis no matter what they do.

It's very different.

What the USA needs from the middle east is oil. That explains why they back the Saudis. But Israel has no oil. Furthermore, by allying itself with Israel, the USA infuriates and alienates the people who do have the oil. So afaics the USA gets absolutely nothing, or rather minus nothing, from the alliance. So why does the alliance exist?

 

[Pickman's model]

It's very different.

What the USA needs from the middle east is oil. That explains why they back the Saudis. But Israel has no oil. Furthermore, by allying itself with Israel, the USA infuriates and alienates the people who do have the oil. So afaics the USA gets absolutely nothing, or rather minus nothing, from the alliance. So why does the alliance exist?

you're talking bollocks. again.

 

[The39thStep]

It's definitely a Jewish conspiracy according to Dwyer, promoting antisemitism being the only reason he is here.

btw, the Jewish vote in the US is now probably smaller than the Arab vote, so I'm not are thats a major factor. Bang on with your other points tho.

That is fascinating if correct, have you got a source ( for the second sentence)

 

[Pickman's model]

us domestic production of oil's not too small

 

[phildwyer]

That is fascinating if correct, have you got a source ( for the second sentence)

No he hasn't got a source cos he's talking bollocks. In reality the Arab vote is less than half the size of the Jewish vote. But they're still both very small. So voting alone doesn't explain the USA's pro-Israel policies.

 

[Pickman's model]

That is fascinating if correct, have you got a source ( for the second sentence)

3.7m arab american voters Arab American backing for Biden sinks over ‘rock-solid’ Israel support
and about 3.5m jews (there may be more, but it seems to be quite close between arabs and jews) https://ajpp.brandeis.edu/documents/2020/nationalprofileofthejewishelectoratein2020.pdf

 

[lazythursday]

No he hasn't got a source cos he's talking bollocks. In reality the Arab vote is less than half the size of the Jewish vote. But they're still both very small. So voting alone doesn't explain the USA's pro-Israel policies.

What explains it is a long history of economic and military ties, particularly cemented in the cold war, surely? The fact that Israel has been a useful ally to the US and a counterweight in the region to Iran and others.

 

[phildwyer]

3.7m arab american voters Arab American backing for Biden sinks over ‘rock-solid’ Israel support
and about 3.5m jews (there may be more, but it seems to be quite close between arabs and jews) https://ajpp.brandeis.edu/documents/2020/nationalprofileofthejewishelectoratein2020.pdf

In reality there are 1.5 million Arab Americans, and 7.5 million Jewish Americans.

 

[phildwyer]

What explains it is a long history of economic and military ties, particularly cemented in the cold war, surely? The fact that Israel has been a useful ally to the US and a counterweight in the region to Iran and others.

But if the USA sided with the Arabs they wouldn't need a useful ally in the region, or a counterweight to Iran. The Islamic world's hostility to the USA is entirely due to its alliance with Israel. That's a heavy price to pay, and I'd like to know why we're paying it.

 

[Pickman's model]

But if the USA sided with the Arabs they wouldn't need a useful ally in the region, or a counterweight to Iran. The Islamic world's hostility to the USA is entirely due to its alliance with Israel. That's a heavy price to pay, and I'd like to know why we're paying it.

write to your congressional representative

 

[belboid]

3.7m arab american voters Arab American backing for Biden sinks over ‘rock-solid’ Israel support
and about 3.5m jews (there may be more, but it seems to be quite close between arabs and jews) https://ajpp.brandeis.edu/documents/2020/nationalprofileofthejewishelectoratein2020.pdf

3.5m is at the lower end of the estimates, but is between there and 7 million, whilst there seems to be wide agreement on the 3.7ish for the number of Arabic voters. Even if there are 7million Jewish voters, the imbalance isn't really enough to make the whole state be so pro-Israel.

1. The size of the U.S. Jewish population

This report classifies approximately 5.8 million adults (2.4% of all U.S. adults) as Jewish. This includes 4.2 million (1.7%) who identify as Jewish by

www.pewresearch.org

Demographics — Arab American Institute

www.aaiusa.org

 

[Pickman's model]

3.5m is at the lower end of the estimates, but is between there and 7 million, whilst there seems to be wide agreement on the 3.7ish for the number of Arabic voters. Even if there are 7million Jewish voters, the imbalance isn't really enough to make the whole state be so pro-Israel.

for my money it's because of the rapturites. and there are some very rich rapturites.

 

[phildwyer]

write to your congressional representative

It would do no good. Everyone knows that American public opinion, like British public opinion, is far more favorable to the Palestinians than their governments are. Whatever the reasons for the US/uk's alliance with Israel, public opinion isn't among them.

 

[Pickman's model]

It would do no good. Everyone knows that American public opinion, like British public opinion, is far more favorable to the Palestinians than their governments are. Whatever the reasons for the US/uk's alliance with Israel, public opinion isn't among them.

no, write to your congressional representative to ask why the united states pays the heavy price you're on about.

 

[phildwyer]

for my money it's because of the rapturites. and there are some very rich rapturites.

Nah, they're poor rednecks. Hardly the sort of people who determine a mighty nation's foreign policy. Try again.

 

[teqniq]

It's definitely a Jewish conspiracy according to Dwyer, promoting antisemitism being the only reason he is here.

btw, the Jewish vote in the US is now probably smaller than the Arab vote, so I'm not are thats a major factor. Bang on with your other points tho.

Antisemitism aside, the only reason he has put in appearance on this thread about a UK politician and made it about the US and Israel is because he's shat all over related threads in the world politics forum and been banned off them, so he's all out of options.

 

[phildwyer]

no, write to your congressional representative to ask why the united states pays the heavy price you're on about.

Evidently you are unacquainted with my congressional representative. I wouldn't ask the bastard the time of day.

 

[belboid]

Antisemitism aside, the only reason he has put in appearance on this thread about a UK politician and made it about the US and Israel is because he's shat all over related threads in the world politics forum and been banned off them, so he's all out of options.

Good point. We really should not rise to the twat's bollocks and just ignore it.

 

[Idris2002]

Antisemitism aside, the only reason he has put in appearance on this thread about a UK politician and made it about the US and Israel is because he's shat all over related threads in the world politics forum and been banned off them, so he's all out of options.

This is like Ern's comeback, then?

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah, they're poor rednecks. Hardly the sort of people who determine a mighty nation's foreign policy. Try again.

i don't think someone like you who hasn't a scooby how many arab americans there are has anything to offer this or indeed any other discussion. plus you're full of shit on this point as well eg As Israel increasingly relies on US evangelicals for support, younger ones are walking away: What polls show | Brookings Progressives Can’t Ignore Role of Christian Zionism in Colonization of Palestine Christian Zionists are Israel’s political foot soldiers in US | Mark Habeeb | AW https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...-christian-zionism-could-warp-foreign-policy/

 

[Chz]

you're talking bollocks. again.
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TBF, while the US itself is not dependent on ME oil (and never really has been), the parts of the world they do a lot of business with are. A massive recession in Europe because of an oil crisis is bad for business in the US.

 

[Duncan2]

lil miss 'stab him in the front' can fuck the fuck off imo

that too

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Why tackle landlordism and build more affordable homes when you can just 'rip up red tape'?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Latest polling across a number of credible companies show none of this is making a real dent in Labours chances of winning the next election.

 

[PTK]

Why tackle landlordism and build more affordable homes when you can just 'rip up red tape'?

So, under Starmer, we would have more of the "human warehouses" that we have had under the Conservatives, when office blocks were converted to flats without having to receive planning permission?

 

[ska invita]

So, under Starmer, we would have more of the "human warehouses" that we have had under the Conservatives, when office blocks were converted to flats without having to receive planning permission?

They want to build on green belt iirc

 

[Elpenor]

Why tackle landlordism and build more affordable homes when you can just 'rip up red tape'?

For the landlords, not the tenants

 

[Elpenor]

Latest polling across a number of credible companies show none of this is making a real dent in Labours chances of winning the next election.

as I’ve said before on here, Starmer could advocate for a nuclear strike on Battersea Dogs Home and still there’d be some who would blindly back him as there is no alternative

 

[belboid]

as I’ve said before on here, Starmer could advocate for a nuclear strike on Battersea Dogs Home and still there’d be some who would blindly back him as there is no alternative

how close to the cat shelter is that?