Protag
Fan of think
We can live in hope, however:-
It might cause a wobble in the polls but they are some distance ahead.
Keir Starmer's time is up
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It might cause a wobble in the polls but they are some distance ahead.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm old enough to remember polling reputations taking a dive post 2017 having predicted across the board tory landslides. That said I think starmers labour will get over the line through sheer exhaustion at the tory aeturnum but then I'm told everyone expected kinnock to walk it too so fuck knows...
Protag
Fan of think
Certainly, but putting myself into the shoes of Safe Hands Starmer (and I will need therapy), he will see the moaning as short-term collateral damage. I saw a horrific article in the Independent that this 'issue' is a 'test' on his 'credibility'.
There has to be a Greek god of Biter bit.Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
The good thing about that article is that i can only read the headline.
ruffneck23
front left
lil miss 'stab him in the front' can fuck the fuck off imo
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lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Absolutely. But very notable that she's broken ranks with her usual crowd to call for a ceasefire. Shows just how important this issue is in some constituencies - can't stand Jess Phillips but she recognises how the wind is blowing on this one and is protecting her interests.
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
Cant see this happening
news.sky.com
Sir Keir Starmer asked to resign by two Labour council leaders over Gaza ceasefire stance
The leaders of Burnley and Pendle councils have joined dozens of Labour MPs urging Sir Keir Starmer to back a ceasefire in Gaza.
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
Labour's leads going into 1992 were a lot smaller than where we are now. The Tories need to narrow this gap by at least 10 points, and quickly, if they're to have any chance next year.
PTK
Paul Kegan
It says something about Starmer when Jess Phillips is closer to Corbyn than to Starmer on this issue.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
Mind you Jess Phillips's opinions are generally all over the place and seem to mostly be whatever she thinks will get her headlines at any particular moment. Actually I quite like her much of the time, but she doesn't exactly have a consistent set of values or anything resembling a coherent political philosophy. I have no problem with aggressive statements of strong opinions, I just wish that in her case they came with at least some thought behind them. However when she gets it right she's biting and funny, which is way better than the anodyne beige bollocks the Starmer puppets routinely spout.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
The same was true in 1987 as is the case now. The media analysis of UK politics has become entirely divorced from reality. The Westminster media political bubble is operating in a fantasy world entirely divorced from the reality of most people's lives and based entirely on some sort of national faux Presidential election between Starmer and Sunak that isn't actually taking place.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Are we talking about the same Jess Phillips?
She's an arsehole of the highest order.
Remember this !
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Like the left wing MPs have? She's called for a ceasefire so clearly is not with the leadership on this one. But will be based on feeling in her constituency and holding onto her votes (and perhaps significant political allies in the local Muslim community?) not some brave moral stance.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Saving her skin. I was agreeing with you.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Cant see this happening
Sir Keir Starmer asked to resign by two Labour council leaders over Gaza ceasefire stance
The leaders of Burnley and Pendle councils have joined dozens of Labour MPs urging Sir Keir Starmer to back a ceasefire in Gaza.
Afrasiab Anwar was on R4 this morning about this.
The interesting thing about British politicians' response to the war is that it apparently takes no account of public opinion. A backbencher like Phillips can break ranks, but no-one prominent does. Given that they usually follow the polls slavishly, this is significant. It reveals that they are being subjected to pressure from sources other than the electorate.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
I don't think they're 'subjected to pressure ' exactly. They all generally share the same mindset about foreign policy which is very much follow the US in all things. That is just seen as the sensible grown up thing to do if you want to be elected and part of the establishment.
And I don't think they do follow the polls slavishly anyway - there are plenty of issues where public opinion is completely ignored.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
nationalisation of energy, water and rail being the obvious. Poll after poll shows 70+ support for it, cross party. But not happening, not on offer from any party. Spokesbod for the water regulator is an ex blair apparatchik. Funny how that works.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Not sure what you're trying to imply here - some sort of shadowy Jewish conspiracy?
When surely the basics are that Israel is a longstanding military ally of the US, is a useful regional balance to the likes of Iran, etc. Plus the significant Jewish vote in the US. On the right, the fundamentalists are also pro-Israel for their own loony apocalyptic reasons. It's not that different to how the US and western allies back the Saudis no matter what they do.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
It means most of them have no interest in the real world that the rest of us live in and entirely inhabit a fictional universe portrayed by newspapers and TV. It really doesn't matter to them what voters think, they are assuming that if they slavishly obey the media they will be re-elected.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
The USA follows the big political donations as it has done for nearly half a century. The big political donations are from fossil fuel companies, the pharmaceutical industry, agribusiness, and arms manufacturers.
Then how can we explain its blind, unquestioning devotion to Israel right or wrong?
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