TopCat
Putin fanboy
I bet he is a really rubbish shag too
Keir Starmer's time is up
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
In certain circumstances I find fag smoke intimidating. On the tube, on the bus, in the public areas of my work. More about the attitudes of those doing it that bothers me.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Aye, same with the weed. At my last workplace, there was a small garden and yard in front of the main doors and young ruffians used to hang around, using the free wifi and smoking weed and it put off a lot of people from entering the building.
‘when I was a lad’…we avoided adult scrutiny as much as possible, hiding in the woods to have a smoke. I suppose the lack of free wifi deters them from doing the same
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Driscoll has set up a crowdfunder to raise £25k by the end of August, then he'll stand again as an independent.
Less than half a day in, he's reached that target.
gosub
~#
Aerated concrete is a growing headache too
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Good luck to him
Really lays into Starmer in the letter. I don't blame him. He's been treated very shoddily for the crime of being on left of party and a competent Mayor. As he implies having someone on the left whose successfully held an important post is not what the Starmer faction want.
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I think its appalling he didnt describe himself as politically homeless, "I didn't leave Labour, Labour left me" etc etc
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The revisionist Starmer clique have selected a racist cop in his place. I hope Discoll wipes the floor with this repugnant lump of filth:
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
More dogshit from the Starmer renegade gang
Starmer told the BBC’s Sunday With Laura Kuenssberg show that Labour was “not changing that policy”, which has been widely criticised as unfair, cruel, ineffective on its own terms, and one of the biggest drivers of child poverty.
www.theguardian.com
Starmer told the BBC’s Sunday With Laura Kuenssberg show that Labour was “not changing that policy”, which has been widely criticised as unfair, cruel, ineffective on its own terms, and one of the biggest drivers of child poverty.
Labour MPs attack Starmer’s commitment to keep Tories’ two-child benefit limit
Campaigners react on policy that has been criticised as one of the biggest drivers of child poverty
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
Starmer is an empty vessel in terms of his politics. No foundations as far as I can tell. That scares me a bit tbh. Don't know where to go. Seriously contemplating voting for 'cock and balls' for the first time.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Apparantly he likes Orange Juice the band , kept up with them in his student days and is still a fan . Probably drop them from things that he likes on his way to number 10.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I think Starmer has no concrete aims beyond actually winning, his policies seem to flip flop according to what he thinks (or various focus groups tell him) people most want to hear from him. I have a feeling he knows that he isn't popular but is only so far ahead in the polls because the Tories are about as popular as the Black Death. If their popularity starts to rebound then his lead will evaporate very quickly.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think you are absolutely right in your middle sentence however I don't think he is driving the Labour agenda, it's the backroom. He's made a pact to be PM .
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I was trying to read Polly Toynbee defence of Starmer and the two child limit. Sorry I gave up reading Polly a while back as she so winds me up. So could not stomach reading all of this. A privileged member of middle class liberal elite telling me the error of my ways. Fuck off.
www.theguardian.com
However she did post up a poll.
yougov.co.uk
Sadly the poll says that even Labour voters are not against the two child limit.
Going through the poll all groups ( age / sex / politics) support the limit.
Im guessing that Starmer back room lot looked at the polls and thought no its not worth the hassle to oppose it. Might even lose votes over it if leadership comes out to say it will ditch it.
So even though the evidence base of NGOs and charities who work on the frontline put rational case that the limit is not good overall for the country Starmer is not going to argue the case to Joe Public.
This is concerning of two levels.
Evidence based policy to reduce poverty is out the window with this move by Starmer.
Starmer has no interest in moving the political terrain in a more liberal direction. Attempting to change opinion. Build a support for more humane attitude.
Its politics based on opinion polls. This from a section of the political class who complain about "populism" of left and right. One of their criticisms of the rise of Corbyn and Boris.
I cannot see anything but that politics based on opinion polls is being "populist". This time of a right wing version.
Listen up, critics: first let Labour win power. Then scrutinise its real record | Polly Toynbee
Of course Keir Starmer is cautious in the runup to an election – Labour can’t change Britain from the opposition benches, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee
However she did post up a poll.
Currently there is a two child limit on the number of children parents can claim child-related welfare benefits for. Do you think this limit should be kept, or should be it be abolished? | Daily Question
Currently there is a two child limit on the number of children parents can claim child-related welfare benefits for. Do you think this limit should be kept, or should be it be abolished?
yougov.co.uk
Sadly the poll says that even Labour voters are not against the two child limit.
Going through the poll all groups ( age / sex / politics) support the limit.
Im guessing that Starmer back room lot looked at the polls and thought no its not worth the hassle to oppose it. Might even lose votes over it if leadership comes out to say it will ditch it.
So even though the evidence base of NGOs and charities who work on the frontline put rational case that the limit is not good overall for the country Starmer is not going to argue the case to Joe Public.
This is concerning of two levels.
Evidence based policy to reduce poverty is out the window with this move by Starmer.
Starmer has no interest in moving the political terrain in a more liberal direction. Attempting to change opinion. Build a support for more humane attitude.
Its politics based on opinion polls. This from a section of the political class who complain about "populism" of left and right. One of their criticisms of the rise of Corbyn and Boris.
I cannot see anything but that politics based on opinion polls is being "populist". This time of a right wing version.
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AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I disagree. They've already made that mental leap and switched allegiance. And moreover they voted for candidates of a Conservative Party led by Boris Johnson. So they're quite a way down the rabbit hole.
It's Labour who are going to have to persuade those voters, but they're not giving them anything to vote for.
Holding down public sector pay, keeping the two child benefits cap. All that economic prudence stuff about not spending.
And yet, the aim is to create wealth.
Why is it that whenever politicians talk about creating wealth, they're not talking about putting money in the pockets of teachers or social workers or nurses or doctors or railway workers, they're talking about what's, effectively, corporate welfare. Letting companies pay poverty wages, topped up by benefits, so those corporations get their wage bills subsided by the taxpayer, but it's the little people who are demonised for being benefits claimants, for being shirkers and skivers.
And then there's tax breaks. And putting money in the pockets of their big business buddies.
Meanwhile lots of families are struggling because of childcare costs (as well as bills and other cost of living increases).
Starmer's giving those working class folk nothing to vote for.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
It's like if Starmer wanted to destroy the Labour Party, if he planned and set out to do so, purging Lefties - not the looney Lefties of old, just people who believe in human rights and a decent standard of living - and so getting rid of lots of activists, and then alienating even more of them by telling them they're not welcome.
Just who does he think is going to do all the door knocking and phone canvassing when he's turning off and turning away more and more?
It's like he doesn't really want to win, he's going through the motions.
Fwiw Starmer's leadership ratings aren't terrible.
yougov.co.uk
How well is Keir Starmer doing as Labour leader?
Do you think Keir Starmer is doing well or badly as leader of the Labour party?
yougov.co.uk
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
I was trying to read Polly Toynbee defence of Starmer and the two child limit. Sorry I gave up reading Polly a while back as she so winds me up. So could not stomach reading all of this. A privileged member of middle class liberal elite telling me the error of my ways. Fuck off.
Listen up, critics: first let Labour win power. Then scrutinise its real record | Polly Toynbee
Of course Keir Starmer is cautious in the runup to an election – Labour can’t change Britain from the opposition benches, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee
However she did post up a poll.
Currently there is a two child limit on the number of children parents can claim child-related welfare benefits for. Do you think this limit should be kept, or should be it be abolished? | Daily Question
Currently there is a two child limit on the number of children parents can claim child-related welfare benefits for. Do you think this limit should be kept, or should be it be abolished?
Sadly the poll says that even Labour voters are not against the two child limit.
Going through the poll all groups ( age / sex / politics) support the limit.
Im guessing that Starmer back room lot looked at the polls and thought no its not worth the hassle to oppose it. Might even lose votes over it if leadership comes out to say it will ditch it.
So even though the evidence base of NGOs and charities who work on the frontline put rational case that the limit is not good overall for the country Starmer is not going to argue the case to Joe Public.
This is concerning of two levels.
Evidence based policy to reduce poverty is out the window with this move by Starmer.
Starmer has no interest in moving the political terrain in a more liberal direction. Attempting to change opinion. Build a support for more humane attitude.
Its politics based on opinion polls. This from a section of the political class who complain about "populism" of left and right. One of their criticisms of the rise of Corbyn and Boris.
I cannot see anything but that politics based on opinion polls is being "populist". This time of a right wing version.
This was Toynbee’s assessment of Labour in the aftermath of the 2019 election:
“Labour was disastrously, catastrophically bad, an agony to behold. A coterie of Corbynites cared more about gripping power within the party than saving the country by winning the election. The national executive committee, a slate of nodding Corbynite place-persons, disgraced the party with its sectarian decisions.”
When she refers to NEC members ‘gripping power’ she means being elected and ‘sectarian positions’ means reflecting what the members supported. But of course what she’s doing here is feeding the narrative that Labour under Corbyn was cult-like and authoritarian, even though Corbyn rivals in the party faced zero repercussions for their dissent. But in her new piece not even a pip of concern about the Starmer clique’s unprecedented levels of control freakery and deselections and expulsions of people who slightly depart from the Starmer line. She’s a clown.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
rachel reeves is on the 'my grandad was a shoemaker in kettering' shit. Even came to town to do a photoshoot at a shoe factory. Didn't look anywhere near as fucking ecstatic as she did on the visit to wall street.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Rip it up and start again.
ska invita
back on the other side
"Rahman is now the third graduate of the Bernie Grant leadership programme - aimed at empowering BAME Labour members to run for office – to be blocked from standing."
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
'To lose one parent, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.”
"To lose one candidate Sir Keir......"
ska invita
back on the other side
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