I'll be honest. I'll take that chance. At least I can then laugh at the centrists. Ha ha, I'll say.I did start wondering the other day (after watching the Labour Al Jazeera videos admittedly) - what if he turned out to be actually worse than the tories?
What do you mean 'turned out'?I did start wondering the other day (after watching the Labour Al Jazeera videos admittedly) - what if he turned out to be actually worse than the tories?
It will continue with a Labour govt, voted for by spineless mugs like you. You'll be voting for a party whose leader thinks 'theres too many foreigners in the NHS' for a start and who are just as authoritarian as the tories. You might as well be a peasant in feudal times on the side of a 'benevolent Baron' or something. But why you'd vote for out and out flag-shagging racists who are so eager to punish the poor I don't know. Electoralism is weird and this is where its taken us.what we've got right now cannot continue.
Yep, two cheeks of the same arse but unfortunately theres a definite double standard going on with some people.There's a fag paper between Sunak and Starmer.
Johnson killed tens of thousands almost including himself. He repeateedly lied to Parliament. He's a thug and a bully. He's responsible for the deadlock in Northern Ireland (even though the DUP could decide to stop being cunts). He let children starve twice during a pandemic.Johnson was a better Prime Minister than Sunak is or Starmer will be. There's a fag paper between Sunak and Starmer.
how so?I'm pretty ambivalent about voting, for me it is largely an apolitical action.
But If one is going to make a political argument for anyone but the Tories and a progressive alliance then the logical consequence of such a position in the current context is Starmer, it is a Labour Party as it currently is, a Labour Party that will attack strikers and migrants, it is support for liberalism and opposition to socialism (even social democracy).
This Starmer is terrible! but You must vote Labour/Lib Dem is just political incoherent drivel
Because, as much as some liberals may wish it we aren't just isolated individuals in our own little boxes, politics is social.how so?
The only reason you can say this about Johnson and not Starmer is that Johnson was in government and Starmer hassn't been yet. Johnson's crimes are in the past and Starmer's in the future.Johnson killed tens of thousands almost including himself. He repeateedly lied to Parliament. He's a thug and a bully. He's responsible for the deadlock in Northern Ireland (even though the DUP could decide to stop being cunts). He let children starve twice during a pandemic.
Succinctly put. I agree.The only reason you can say this about Johnson and not Starmer is that Johnson was in government and Starmer hassn't been yet. Johnson's crimes are in the past and Starmer's in the future.
Sure shammer's still done loads of shit things even if they're not formally crimesThe only reason you can say this about Johnson and not Starmer is that Johnson was in government and Starmer hassn't been yet. Johnson's crimes are in the past and Starmer's in the future.
No doubt, but despite everything I think it's a stretch to assert he'd be worse. But I didn't make that assertion so it seems weird to criticise my response given that.The only reason you can say this about Johnson and not Starmer is that Johnson was in government and Starmer hassn't been yet. Johnson's crimes are in the past and Starmer's in the future.
Yuck.
Starmer plans venture capitalists tax break as Labour to 'partner with business'
The Labour leader parked his tanks firmly on the Tories' lawn with a speech to 350 business leaders in London's Canary Wharf - and a report that recommends expanding tax break schemes for wealthy investorswww.mirror.co.uk
What do you mean 'turned out'?
The only way I'll be voting Labour is if my neighbour's the candidate again. But she's a bit of a lefty so it's unlikely.
One of them. He did disappear for a few months but seems to be back now. Not sure if he's back in the commons but he did vote (for Johnson I'd imagine) in Johnson's party confidence vote back in June. His alleged victim (former Conservative leader of the council who had worked in the MP's office on work experience which is when the alleged incident allegedly took place) has meanwhile disappeared from public life (the Tories no longer control the council) so maybe he's confident he's got away with it. He (the MP) gets a lot of abuse about it when he posts to the local Facebook group which makes me think he won't do quite so well in the next election but we'll see.Haven't you got that alleged rapist Tory bloke for an MP ATM?
do you live in a swing seat? If no then why botherYes I think I'm coming round to the 'lets not vote' view. I mean, how bad could another tory government be?
Yes I think I'm coming round to the 'lets not vote' view. I mean, how bad could another tory government be?
This is the key, I think. I live in a seat that the Tories win by a clear 20%+ and Labour struggle to make their deposit. So I have the luxury of deciding whether or not I vote for Labour based on pure principles. I wanted to show that I favoured the direction they moved in by having Corbyn. I now want to show that I disapprove of them getting in Starmer. People like me in this constituency can actually make a difference to Labour (ie will they get their deposit back?) but we’re not going to make any difference at all to who actually becomes MP. If I lived in a Labour marginal, I do agree that it would be a tougher choice to make.do you live in a swing seat? If no then why bother