Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Is he watching the game on Moonbase from UFO?
Keir Starmer's time is up
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ska invita
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Keir Starmer says there is a case for GPS tagging some asylum seekers
A coalition of charities warned a month ago that the policy amounts to ‘psychological torture’
www.independent.co.uk
possible selective quoting from the Indie but still
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
tag asylum applicants whilst claim processingKeir Starmer says there is a case for GPS tagging some asylum seekers
A coalition of charities warned a month ago that the policy amounts to ‘psychological torture’
possible selective quoting from the Indie but still
Dog whistle stuff isn't it. Well more of a dog foghorn.
I don't think he'd seriously consider doing it fwiw, but he wants to put 'I also hate foreigners' out there.
I don't think there's much there tbh. He's responding to a question about a tory policy, not announcing some new Labour policy himself - and doesn't seem to be suggesting it should be expanded beyond how it's currently used (apparently they've been tagging people awaiting the result of their asylum application since 2004). I think he's just tried to answer the question in a way which shuts it down without really answering it, before moving on to how Labour would deal with the same issue.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh, i think he certainly would
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Yep, he definitely would. Starmer is fucking vile.
Thinking back to home secretaries under the Blair government. Totally indistinguishable from the worst right wing tory scum.
Thinking back to home secretaries under the Blair government. Totally indistinguishable from the worst right wing tory scum.
teqniq
DisMembered
This is news to me and I support a lot of asylum seekers. The only person I know of who was tagged is someone who the police regarded as a potential criminal/involved in an ongoing criminal investigation.
I'm only going on the information provided in the newspaper article no-one else seems to have bothered reading past the clickbait headline
This is the precise quote:
The policy of using electronic tags to track asylum seekers was first introduced in the UK by the last Labour government, whose 2004 Asylum and Immigration Bill included provisions to allow the tags to be used on people released from immigration detention.
The current government has launched a pilot to expand their use under a Home Office “electronic monitoring expansion pilot” – which is currently subject to a legal challenge.
Maybe people under criminal investigation are the cases Starmer thinks there's a case for tagging? We don't know because it was clearly just him deflecting a bullshit question before moving on to something he wanted to talk about.
The policy of using electronic tags to track asylum seekers was first introduced in the UK by the last Labour government, whose 2004 Asylum and Immigration Bill included provisions to allow the tags to be used on people released from immigration detention.
The current government has launched a pilot to expand their use under a Home Office “electronic monitoring expansion pilot” – which is currently subject to a legal challenge.
Maybe people under criminal investigation are the cases Starmer thinks there's a case for tagging? We don't know because it was clearly just him deflecting a bullshit question before moving on to something he wanted to talk about.
teqniq
DisMembered
They can only really justify it if the individual is part of an ongoing investigation. I know of people who have been held in immigration detention and who are not tagged.
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Here we go. Countries that currently ban VPNs: China, Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Oman, the UAE....
ruffneck23
front left
have you read the article you've linked to?
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I realise it's just a "asking OFCOM to look into it", but it's still funny from a practical point of view. A lot of noise and effort around something that will have no effect whatsoever. Oh no. I will have slightly higher latency connecting to a VPN in France or Czechia instead. Boo fucking hoo.
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Aye it is mad Labour boomer shit.
SysOut
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What does that mean?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
maomao
普費斯
That's nonsense. A country can be generally regarded as a free one without permitting purchase of drugs, the sale of stolen credit card details or certain kinds of pornography, all of which a vpn could assist with.
SysOut
¯¯¯
But I said "by definition".
I'm criticising the way the word "free" is thrown around, btw.
A lot of people don't realise to what extent they're in a cradle-to-death propaganda bubble.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I don't blame them if they didn't, trying to read anything on the independent website is a nightmare.
SysOut
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I always read an archive from the site. Much easier to read.
I wonder if anyone has told them that their webmaster is a lump of shit?
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Tbf, its more 'generation x shit' given the age of a lot of parliament front benches now, but I get the point about moral panic around those 'young people using VPNs to circumvent things..'
I don't know if its so much about age (although as generation x myself I'm becoming increasingly surprised at some of the reactionary takes our generation are getting into which I didn't expect) rather than the utter lack of understanding of how controlling what people can do/access on the internet differs from more traditional forms of censorship. Hence, it becomes quite powerless as a political demand really, "we must seek ofcom to look into this".
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Dunno. Who wants to verify who they are every time they look at porn? I also think being able to purchase drugs other than alcohol absolutely should be part of a free society.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Bollocks. If you pretend to be in the USA then you have access to a wider range of Google books downloads, for example, due to their differing copyright laws. This isn't likely to change with being in your notional free country
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teqniq
DisMembered
Yuck.
www.mirror.co.uk
Starmer plans venture capitalists tax break as Labour to 'partner with business'
The Labour leader parked his tanks firmly on the Tories' lawn with a speech to 350 business leaders in London's Canary Wharf - and a report that recommends expanding tax break schemes for wealthy investors
www.mirror.co.uk
ska invita
back on the other side
alsoYuck.
Starmer plans venture capitalists tax break as Labour to 'partner with business'
The Labour leader parked his tanks firmly on the Tories' lawn with a speech to 350 business leaders in London's Canary Wharf - and a report that recommends expanding tax break schemes for wealthy investors
And it would ask pension funds and banks to put some of their money into venture capital - to help close a reported £16billion gap between the UK and US.
---thats our money being invested in any old tech bubble nonsense. i wouldnt. as if our pensions arent at risk enough
teqniq
DisMembered
Reeves is also refusing to say whether Labour would make nurses a better pay offer. What actually is the point of Labour anymore?
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Labour continue to be astoundingly shit, but I just cannot countenance Tory return at the next GE. People can say it's just an argument rooted in feels not reals but what we've got right now cannot continue. It just can't. Having to watch the pennies like never before during the coldest part of winter with inflation still rising and winter barely begun. The daily gaslighting from the likes of racist 30p Lee, the lunatic Braverman, bully boy Raab, and all the rest of these monstrosities. What choice isn't shit?
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