Keir Starmer's time is up

[Serene]

To an ultrapedant the difference may be obvious but to anyone else the differences are of no consequence

There are elementary differences that can be spotted by anyone. Infiltrator is key. Though I have done sparse research it seems he may have infiltrated his parents also, because, from his wiki today it says His parents were Labour Party supporters, and named him after the party's first parliamentary leader, Keir Hardie . This left me baffled as the plot is really deepening. Maybe he is a Labour supporter after all? I also didnt know that In his teenage years, Starmer was active in Labour politics, and was a member of the East Surrey Young Socialists. I am eating an Apple and pondering all this.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are elementary differences that can be spotted by anyone. Infiltrator is key. Though I have done sparse research it seems he may have infiltrated his parents also, because, from his wiki today it says His parents were Labour Party supporters, and named him after the party's first parliamentary leader, Keir Hardie . This left me baffled as the plot is really deepening. Maybe he is a Labour supporter after all? I also didnt know that In his teenage years, Starmer was active in Labour politics, and was a member of the East Surrey Young Socialists. I am eating an Apple and pondering all this.

There is no mention of infiltrator in the question you posed.

 

[Serene]

This is the question I posed. The suggestions after the question mark are there to guide answers to the thoughts I had.

Does anyone know the difference between Starmer and a Tory? I cant see any. I always thought he was yet another tory infiltrator of the party to keep it down. I admit to delusions in the same way all humans have delusions. Also is he using Brylcreem?

Can you spot the word infiltrator in there, anyone? 5 gold stars to anyone who can.

 

[Serene]

There is no mention of infiltrator in the question you posed.

The above reply was in answer to this question.

 

[Serene]

It seems to make sense to suppose that Starmer is taking the party further right than left in order to have more efficacy to get Labour elected again, in the way that Blair did also. Being too far left doesnt have enough voters to ever do it. It is a paradox.

 

[a_chap]

To an ultrapedant ...

Is there any other sort?

 

[Pickman's model]

This is the question I posed. The suggestions after the question mark are there to guide answers to the thoughts I had.

Can you spot the word infiltrator in there, anyone? 5 gold stars to anyone who can.

It's in the post, it's not in the question. Here's a hint: a question is a sentence ending in a question mark.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is there any other sort?

Yes, lesser, lesser spotted, greater, ultra, uber and super. Not to mention king and emperor.

 

[Serene]

It's in the post, it's not in the question. Here's a hint: a question is a sentence ending in a question mark.

You have bullied me repeatedly since I have posted on here. I am female and you know this. I have had to put you on ignore many many times because of it and have given you chances. You constantly bully me. You are a creepy person. What is a person called who continually bullies women unsolicited?

 

[Pickman's model]

You have bullied me repeatedly since I have posted on here. I am female and you know this. I have had to put you on ignore many many times because of it and have given you chances. You constantly bully me. You are a creepy person. What is a person called who continually bullies women unsolicited?

I don't think I've been unpleasant to you in the slightest on this thread. Taking this current exchange as a case in point I've noted you asked the question about the difference between shammer and a Tory before at least once and likely several. Then you led us down a really peculiar pedantic rabbit hole about how the identical questions differed materially. I don't know why but I'm sure you have your reasons. Anyway, on ignore as a time waster

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Does anyone know the difference between Starmer and a Tory? I cant see any. I always thought he was yet another tory infiltrator of the party to keep it down.

He’s far from an infiltrator. Starmer is actually firmly within the dominant historical tradition of the Labour Party. By that I mean he’s generally committed to some form of social democracy as long as it it’s acceptable to the market and the state. By that I mean that at any given point he’ll put the interest of the state and capital before those of the organised working class. By that, I mean that his entire political worldview is entirely based on electoralism and parliamentary convention.

 

[steveseagull]

It is quite amusing that the racist right wing rags he has been sucking up to are now trying to bring him down.

 

[MickiQ]

It is quite amusing that the racist right wing rags he has been sucking up to are now trying to bring him down.

I think it's more to deflect from the sins of the Man whose Pants are Ablaze than outrage at any great wrong on Starmer's part.

 

[Rob Ray]

Man who could have predicted that repeatedly fucking off most of his support base in order to suck up to right-wingers who don't give a shit whether he lives or dies would leave Starmer vulnerable to the very pile-ons he'd exploited to get rid of his political rival? All that effort slandering the old man and not a penny of goodwill to spend from it.

 

[Kaka Tim]

"jew baiting" ffs. Surely corbyn could sue them for that?

 

[Knotted]

Looks like somebody has dropped him right in it. Party gate was exactly the sort of policy free grown-up-in-the-room issue for Starmer to exploit and so he went after it heavily. Hard to see how he can recover after it's back fired.

 

[Rob Ray]

Corbyn's outright called anti-Semitic later in the column, which may be a bit far even for a fair comment defence. Libel's very expensive though and the Sun has very good lawyers.

 

[killer b]

I'd imagine it's probably fair comment for the leader of a party that's been found to be institutionally antisemitic by the EHRC tbf (regardless of how you might feel about the finding)

 

[pbsmooth]

I feel like assuming this blows over, it won't really damage him that much outside those who hate him already. most of the noise seems to be coming from people who were up for kicking him already.

 

[ruffneck23]

 

[Knotted]

Friends of Starmer said he had been blindsided by the intensity of the media and political pressure over the affair.

“It is almost beyond his imagination,” one said. “The content of the stories may be ridiculous but when they are weaponised by the Tory machine the impact is lethal.”

Well this has never happened before.

 

[ruffneck23]

Maybe he could ask his predecessor for some tips on how to handle the pressure.

 

[emanymton]

Well this has never happened before.

Well I for one am shocked.
I didn't think he had any friends.

 

[Pickman's model]

I feel like assuming this blows over, it won't really damage him that much outside those who hate him already. most of the noise seems to be coming from people who were up for kicking him already.

yeh he's so damaged already i don't feel this will add much to the scorn already heaped on him for a lack of principles, politics, and indeed nous

 

[ruffneck23]

 

[Quote]

Err, what's he playing at?

Does he think he's going to shame Boris into resigning or something? The man who's whole career has been characterised by a complete & total lack of shame.

 

[killer b]

I think as it's got to this point it's a fairly sound strategy - if he was fined he'd be done for anyway, so might as well do the whole put up or shut up thing.

 

[ska invita]

He must really think he's innocent.
Clever move if he is found to be.
Hilarious if he isn't

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sound move IMO, whether he get fined & resign or not, it leaves him looking good compared to Johnson.

 

[Bingoman]

If he is fined sky news understands he will offer his resignation?