Keir Starmer's time is up

[Pickman's model]

Dunno which thread to put this on but might as well go here - sometimes I wonder if people are too harsh on Stop the War, but then I see shit like this, from one of their National Officers:


Let's Have A War Coalition

fuck me that's awful politics and sheer windbaggery

 

[Dystopiary]

Dunno which thread to put this on but might as well go here - sometimes I wonder if people are too harsh on Stop the War, but then I see shit like this, from one of their National Officers:


Let's Have A War Coalition

Just been looking at her twitter, and ffs. She's "Stop the War" except for the one that's actually happening in Ukraine, no solidarity with the those people who are actually being subjected to war right now that she blames entirely on NATO.*

There's such a bizarre overlap of "anti-war" and tankie.



*Fuck NATO, obvs.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Is she CPB? I'm sure I know her from somewhere... Seems like a Beelyite.

 

[hitmouse]

Is she CPB? I'm sure I know her from somewhere... Seems like a Beelyite.

Fairly sure she's Socialist Action, that super secret trot sect who used to knock about with Ken Livingstone?

 

[Dom Traynor]

Fairly sure she's Socialist Action, that super secret trot sect who used to knock about with Ken Livingstone?

Yes. I know one of them I've had a discussion with her on his Facebook wall. That would make sense.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Great boss man J Corbyn smashes revisionist Starmer clique

 

[magneze]

 

[splonkydoo]

Autocratic Shammerism upping the ante

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...08dd0c86717aed#block-621d1b5b8f08dd0c86717aed

 

[PR1Berske]

Autocratic Shammerism upping the ante

Russia-Ukraine war latest news: Turkey will limit Russian warship access to Black Sea, says Erdoğan – live

Just about to post this.

 

[splonkydoo]

Just about to post this.

Centrist dad twitter is delighted it seems.

 

[billy_bob]

Sheesh. That sounds a whole lot like castigating people for thinking errors - not as centrist a position as centrist dad seems to think.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Renegade revisionist and imperialist warmonger Starmer continues to posture

 

[magneze]

Unbelievable.

 

[killer b]

Unbelievable.

Yeah.

 

[agricola]

The strange thing I find in all this flag-waving is that they’ve not mentioned the defence cuts, which they opposed at the time and which were based (see Johnson’s comments about there not going to be a land war in Europe a few months before a land war in Europe) on conclusions now obviously destroyed by events.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah.

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Is he small or far away?

 

[Badgers]

These are more or less the exact kind of actions that Corbyn should have been taking against the Labour right when he had the chance tbf

Really?

He was busy with a poisonous media and a disgraced party of liars.

 

[killer b]

He was busy with a poisonous media and a disgraced party of liars.

He was also busy with internal attacks within the party if you'll recall. Attempting to accommodate and mollify them proved to be a mistake, as evidenced by... everything.

 

[killer b]

And I know I've said this before, but any left politician with a sniff at power will face the most ferocious pushback from the disgraced party of liars and the poisonous media, and the liberal centrists. No point in whining about it, you might as well whine about the rain in Manchester. Dealing with that pushback effectively is the only way to win isn't it?

 

[two sheds]

have to agree - needed to be as ruthless as starmer is being now

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[Badgers]

He was also busy with internal attacks within the party if you'll recall. Attempting to accommodate and mollify them proved to be a mistake, as evidenced by... everything.

So..

Starmer is a better man than Corbyn?

Starmer will deliver a fairer and more humane country?

 

[Badgers]

He was also busy with internal attacks within the party if you'll recall. Attempting to accommodate and mollify them proved to be a mistake, as evidenced by... everything.

So?

 

[killer b]

So..

Starmer is a better man than Corbyn?

Starmer will deliver a fairer and more humane country?

you seem to be replying to a different post to the one you've quoted.

 

[PR1Berske]

Some leftwing Labour MPs believe Starmer is seeking a pretext to suspend them from the party, and are keen not to hand him any opportunity to do so. McDonnell said it was important for socialists to “stay on the pitch for as long as it takes”.

McDonnell and Abbott were among 11 Labour backbenchers who yielded to pressure from the party’s chief whip last week and withdrew their names from a Stop the War motion urging Nato to “call a halt to its eastward expansion” and accusing the UK government of “sabre-rattling” over Ukraine.

Starmer is keen to press home the shift in Labour’s approach to foreign affairs since he took over from Corbyn a year ago. He has offered staunch support to the government over Ukraine while pushing for tougher action on sanctions.

The Labour leader used a Guardian article last month to attack Stop the War, in which Corbyn continues to play a prominent role, effectively accusing the group of siding with Russia.

“At best they are naive, at worst they actively give succour to authoritarian leaders who directly threaten democracies. There is nothing progressive in showing solidarity with the aggressor,” Starme r wrote.

John McDonnell and Diane Abbott pull out of Stop the War rally

Labour leftwingers react to pressure from Keir Starmer to avoid blaming Nato for Russian aggression in Ukraine

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Pure iron.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[two sheds]

"We can win elections, and do nothing in particular because we've got no policies, or we can pursue policies which are actually popular to most of the people in the country. But make no mistake, .... "

 

[hitmouse]

So does that quote mean that he's letting Corbyn back in, or is Corbz the wrong kind of impurity?

Anyway, came here to post this:

Unite could break historic link with Labour as rift with Keir Starmer deepens

New general secretary Sharon Graham has not met with Labour leader or any of his top team in months - but the party says the two leaders are in touch

www.mirror.co.uk

Can't see it mentioned in the article, but apparently Coventry council have just suspended a Unite steward, which doesn't seem likely to calm things down:

Coventry council accused of ‘needlessly’ escalating bin dispute as leader George Duggins suspends a Unite shop steward on bogus charges

…

www.unitetheunion.org

 

[Pickman's model]

he can't do either