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Love and solidarity
Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but...
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Keir Starmer's time is up
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Here we have a Labour Shadow Minister echoing the thoughts of the Adam Smith Institute, and attacking worker wage rises.
Unable to digest the lessons of the last period Labour’s position dooms it to the same fate as the lunatic remain fringe: both bound to dying neo-liberal orthodoxies.
Perhaps the thread needs to be re-titled ‘Labour’s Time is Up’..
Unable to digest the lessons of the last period Labour’s position dooms it to the same fate as the lunatic remain fringe: both bound to dying neo-liberal orthodoxies.
Perhaps the thread needs to be re-titled ‘Labour’s Time is Up’..
magneze
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Depressing really. Johnson's high wage message is going to be quite simple and effective I think.
www.theguardian.com
Boris Johnson’s ‘high wage’ agenda is taking the wind out of Labour’s sails | Larry Elliott
The PM thinks his interventionist approach to the economy is a winning formula. Without a coherent opposition, he could be right, says Guardian columnist Larry Elliott
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
As usual, Larry Elliot is right. Some of us have spent the last 5 years arguing “as Johnson is now doing – that leaving the EU presented an opportunity to restructure the economy and warned that if a party of the left did not make a positive case for change, then the vacuum would be filled by the right” and here we now are…
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
exploiting domestic labour not much better tbh
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it'd be more effective if i and other public sector workers saw some evidence that our wages might in fact riseDepressing really. Johnson's high wage message is going to be quite simple and effective I think.
Boris Johnson’s ‘high wage’ agenda is taking the wind out of Labour’s sails | Larry Elliott
The PM thinks his interventionist approach to the economy is a winning formula. Without a coherent opposition, he could be right, says Guardian columnist Larry Elliott
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Indeed; not convinced it's such a masterclass in politicking to tell people they'll be better off when the evidence of their wallets will suggest otherwise.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Johnson's 'high wage economy' boasting is galling. It wasn't a planned, it was never mentioned in their election manifesto or economic planning. But, as is always the case with Johnson he's stupid but not that stupid to look a gift horse in the mouth. Leaving aside the disaster of Corbynism's capture by remain and the failure of the left to seize the opportunities presented by the vote, what's even more galling is that instead of learning lessons Labour is doubling down on its own vapid stupidity in response.
Labour could and should be welcoming the advent of the high wage economy but pointing out the flaws in the Tory version that they would rectify. It's fairly standard stuff - highlight that there is no evidence of the high wage economy for the state's own workers (as Pickman notes) with a public sector pay freeze affecting care workers for example and pledging a high wage economy in the public sector anchored by a national living wage of £15 an hour, note that a high wage economy needs sectoral collective bargaining across the economy that it would mandate, point to precarity and fire and re-hire as practices intolerable in a high wage economy and state it would outlaw them etc etc. Instead, it calls for more exploited labour. Pathetic.
Labour could and should be welcoming the advent of the high wage economy but pointing out the flaws in the Tory version that they would rectify. It's fairly standard stuff - highlight that there is no evidence of the high wage economy for the state's own workers (as Pickman notes) with a public sector pay freeze affecting care workers for example and pledging a high wage economy in the public sector anchored by a national living wage of £15 an hour, note that a high wage economy needs sectoral collective bargaining across the economy that it would mandate, point to precarity and fire and re-hire as practices intolerable in a high wage economy and state it would outlaw them etc etc. Instead, it calls for more exploited labour. Pathetic.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Traditional British Value that, the red wall will lap it up
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Domestic labour has a better chance of organising.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Whilst you meant to be ironic you are inadvertently correct. In ‘the red wall areas’ people are noticing wages going up in some sectors, they welcome it. They also increasingly wonder why wages are not going up in other sectors and, hopefully, this will feed into a dynamic, disputes and agitation more widely. You are also correct that - bar the Labour Party and middle class liberals - there is no support for more exploited labour from the poorest parts of the EU.
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steveseagull
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Alan Partridge is cringing
steveseagull
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Oh dear
splonkydoo
Well-Known Member
and then there's this: ‘Death of 1,000 cuts’: Kellogg’s workers on why they’re striking
About 1,400 Kellogg’s workers at four US plants have gone on strike after their current union contracts expired and amid accusations that the cereal giant is offshoring jobs.
About 1,400 Kellogg’s workers at four US plants have gone on strike after their current union contracts expired and amid accusations that the cereal giant is offshoring jobs.
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
Tend to agree, but I think Starmer's role was pretty central to Labour's Brexit disaster and it's high time he and his acolytes started taking some responsibility for it.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
do they see it as a disaster? they stopped a corbyn government that might actually have done things that were vaguely socialist. they will see having a tory government (albeit a blue one not a red one) as a better outcome.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Depressing but true.
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Keith has decided to start another legal war which he looks unlikely to win. This only brings back into focus the fact that he is covering up the Forde report due to it's horrific contents.
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Carter Ruck responds (PDF letter in the link)
splonkydoo
Well-Known Member
Beginning to seriously think now that Keith is purposefully trying to bankrupt the party so that potential donors could have more pull.
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Course he is. Him and his regime are only interested in spiteful vindictive revenge on anyone associated with Corbyn. they do nto give a shit about the party or getting elected.
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Meanwhile, Jon Trickett is threatening to release his submission to the Forde Inquiry... which I suspect will start off an avalanche.
steveseagull
Well-Known Member
Jesus... this resignation letter...
skwawkbox.org
Exclusive: Labour front-bencher’s CLP chair resigns over S*n column and assault on democracy
Bolton South East constituency party chair has resigned from the Labour party. Read his full resignation letter to Keir Starmer In August, Skwawkbox reported the motion against Keir Starmer’s…
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it's pretty boring tbh, I didn't make it to the end. what's remarkable about it?Jesus... this resignation letter...
Exclusive: Labour front-bencher’s CLP chair resigns over S*n column and assault on democracy
Bolton South East constituency party chair has resigned from the Labour party. Read his full resignation letter to Keir Starmer In August, Skwawkbox reported the motion against Keir Starmer’s…
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