Keir Starmer's time is up

[elbows]

Keir Starmer says James Bond should be played by a woman

Labour leader says it is ‘time’ for a female actor to play 007

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“I don’t have a favourite Bond, but I do think it’s time for a female Bond."

The man can’t even answer a simple question about James Bond properly, all he can do is offer up a tired response.

Daniel Craigs advice for the next person to play Bond when asked tedious questions about it by the media was "Dont be shit!". Advice that could also apply to the next leader of the Labour party.

 

[Wilf]

These days it's standard practice for people in public office to drag themselves on for at least eighteen months after the point where their position officially became untenable. He'll go before the next election but not before he's made sure Labour are mathematically incapable of winning it.

Agree with you about them dragging it on beyond the point there's no chance of winning. However I can't see kieth going before the next election. At the moment there's no even vaguely coherent opposition to him from left or right or for that matter any kind of grouping plotting around an alternative figure. Corbyn was an accidental victor and when it came to having a plan he went 'erm, social democracy, summat about 1945'? The opposition to starmer isn't even that coherent.

Fwiw, I think the chances of Labour being replaced by the greens or anybody else as the centre left party of British politics are close to zero - the first past the post system. Looked at the other way round, that means Labour's biggest problem is that it exists. I have every expectation that after Labour is trimmed back even further at the next election, there'll be another leader talking about reconnecting with the voters, building trust or similar shite. I don't look to electoral politics, but at the level of stopping the future being that boot on the human face, we may have to wait a bit.

 

[kabbes]

The kabbess — not the closest observer of politics but a staunch left-winger in her heart — came home today and announced unprompted, “I really hate this Labour government”. When questioned what she meant, on the grounds that Labour aren’t actually in government, she testily clarified that she just meant,”this current Labour lot” and really she meant Starmer in particular because, and I paraphrase, he has no heart and is just a Tory. So I guess he is steeping into the consciousness of non politics geeks. But not in the way he might like.

 

[steveseagull]

Most of my 'centrist' / 'politically sensible' / 'grown up politics' friends are starting to loathe him

 

[AmateurAgitator]

ACG article on Starmer's speech and Labour:

Labour pains - Anarchist Communist Group

Keir Starmer’s speech to Labour Party conference promised nothing to the working class and plenty to the bosses. Starmer went out of his way to show how friendly he was to business, at the same time briefing his shadow cabinet not to support a call for a £15 an hour minimum wage. He promised...

www.anarchistcommunism.org

 

[brogdale]

ACG article on Starmer's speech and Labour:

Labour pains - Anarchist Communist Group

Keir Starmer’s speech to Labour Party conference promised nothing to the working class and plenty to the bosses. Starmer went out of his way to show how friendly he was to business, at the same time briefing his shadow cabinet not to support a call for a £15 an hour minimum wage. He promised...

www.anarchistcommunism.org

That's a sound analysis.
I see ACG are going with the line that Rod Starmer owned the (toolmaking) factory and it's a fair punt...but AFAIK I've never seen any definitive evidence that Starmer Snr did own the means of production.

That said, I'm not sure how many "toolmakers" are significant benefactors of rather lovely little theatres like the Barn in Oxted.

 

[Cid]

Most of my 'centrist' / 'politically sensible' / 'grown up politics' friends are starting to loathe him

Likewise.

 

[Cid]

Please excuse me being a light weight for a mo. But I had a brainwave while I was watching him as to how he could improve his celeb appeal. I think he should shave his head, or a least have a really, really sort cut. He would look quite hard and losing that square headed “nice” boy hair do would boost his image a lot, tough enough to take on Johnson and stop being a nice boy

Currently he looks like he should be hosting an alt-right podcast. Basically a slightly older Richard Spencer...

 

[TopCat]

The average age of a Conservative voter is about 90 iirc. Which means they've already likely lost their driving licenses and will be lucky if they eat more than a few peas a day anyway, so crippling food price inflation and fuel shortages aren't likely to put a dent in their love for BoJo the Clown.

Conservative party members are getting on a bit but the voters come in all ages.

 

[Cid]

oooh, how much do you fancy betting?

(There is almost 0 chance of a green mp here, the one seat they had hoped for saw a big swing against in ‘17 and a minuscule improvement in ‘19)

Central presumably? I think you're right... Probably see a substantial rebound, but the margin is so vast as to be basically insurmountable. I'm in Central and, assuming I'm still here (and Starmer is), am definitely not doing my usual nose-hold Labour come 2024. Possibly the Greens will get that.

Would put good odds on Lib Dems retaking Hallam, it was a gnat's fart it 2019. Although iirc he polls better among those fuckers. And Olivia Blake might get some loyalty from the student/former student vote I suppose.

 

[steveseagull]

The Daily Mail are floating the rumour that three Labour MPs are planning on defecting to the Tories.

One obvious one would be Rosie Duffield I guess.

But I don't think there is any shortage of careerist Blairites with slim majorities who would sell their souls.

In further news, Keith has decided he is still not right wing enough so has written an article for the Sun.

 

[brogdale]

Classic Crosby

 

[Chilli.s]

Labour MPs are planning on defecting to the Tories.

Hopefully sir keith

 

[Dogsauce]

Conservative party members are getting on a bit but the voters come in all ages.

They‘ve long been losing the ground game, not having the foot soldiers to knock on doors etc. Sadly now everything is done on the internet and the large sums of money rich people give them go a long way there.

 

[lazythursday]

They‘ve long been losing the ground game, not having the foot soldiers to knock on doors etc. Sadly now everything is done on the internet and the large sums of money rich people give them go a long way there.

Am sure it wouldn't be too hard to concoct some sort of panic over doorstep safety and privacy to bring in laws about cold calling that would neutralise Labour's advantage. Surprised it's not happened yet really.

 

[Dogsauce]

Am sure it wouldn't be too hard to concoct some sort of panic over doorstep safety and privacy to bring in laws about cold calling that would neutralise Labour's advantage. Surprised it's not happened yet really.

It’s no longer an advantage anyway, Labour had a huge ground game in 2017 but also lots of people sharing memes on Facebook, it came close so Facebook changed the algorithm to make sure it never happened again. Political parties have to sponsor such content now, so it goes to the highest bidder.

 

[teqniq]

Starmer has written a piece for the Sun. Not a good look at all.

 

[Raheem]

Starmer has written a piece for the Sun. Not a good look at all.

Will certainly make me think twice about buying the Sun.

 

[ska invita]

Starmer has written a piece for the Sun. Not a good look at all.

TBF its no worse than writing for any other newspaper
The boycott the Sun thing is fair enough, but why stop there

devils advocate post

 

[MrSki]

TBF its no worse than writing for any other newspaper
The boycott the Sun thing is fair enough, but why stop there

devils advocate post

The Sun & Mail are utter shite but are the choices of the working class so if you want to try and get your message across...

Both papers are shite & I judge someone buying them.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Sun & Mail are utter shite but are the choices of the working class so if you want to try and get your message across...

Both papers are shite & I judge someone buying them.

Yeh but it's much better to read something like the mail which you'll disagree with than sticking with things that you agree with. Especially when they're available for free online - so like you I judge people who buy the sun or the mail, but against rather different criteria than you do I think

 

[Pickman's model]

Starmer has written a piece for the Sun. Not a good look at all.

He'll not be asked to write another when they see what it does for their circulation

 

[MrSki]

Yeh but it's much better to read something like the mail which you'll disagree with than sticking with things that you agree with. Especially when they're available for free online - so like you I judge people who buy the sun or the mail, but against rather different criteria than you do I think

If I see someone buying the S*n or the hate mail I give them a tut but am willing to go all out if they object to said tut.

 

[TopCat]

All the papers are shite. The sun crossed the line though.

 

[teqniq]

Starmer has written a piece for the Sun. Not a good look at all.

This has gone down really well with some MPs:

 

[ska invita]

Yeah my post was quite whataboutery.. ..there's a long-standing boycott campaign, which changes the dynamic.


More important to me is what he wrote... If his piece says seize the means of production that's one thing, if it says there aren't enough police in the UK thats another.

What does it say broadly?

 

[maomao]

The worst bit about the whole thing is the article itself 'I don't want people to have another Christmas spoiled by Boris Johnson's incompetence'. Just fuck off.

They also have an article about how his 'trump card' is his 'vibrant wife Victoria'. The one he's widely rumoured to be cheating on.

 

[maomao]

Yeah my post was quite whataboutery.. ..there's a long-standing boycott campaign, which changes the dynamic.


More important to me is what he wrote... If his piece says seize the means of production that's one thing, if it says there aren't enough police in the UK thats another.

What does it say broadly?

That Boris is spoiling Christmas and needs to let foreign workers in.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

The Sun & Mail are utter shite but are the choices of the working class

I think the average daily fail reader would be extremely offended to be described as 'working class'

 

[teqniq]

ska invita Dunno. Don't read the Scum on general principles.