Keir Starmer's time is up

[steveseagull]

it's pretty boring tbh, I didn't make it to the end. what's remarkable about it?

The end bit. The bit you did not read.

 

[belboid]

The end bit. The bit you did not read.

I shan’t sign off by wishing you luck in your objectives for the Labour Party because I do not wish you luck. You will get what you deserve and that is to be moved to one side once you have done the dirty work and forever remembered as Captain Hindsight.

Meh, he sounds a bit of an arse, tbh

 

[killer b]

yeah that's shit too.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't think Starmer could even manage to get hindsight right tbf. His idol Blair certainly never has. He's probably still expecting Saddam's nukes to be found down the back of the sofa cushions any day now.

 

[gosub]

I don't think Starmer could even manage to get hindsight right tbf. His idol Blair certainly never has. He's probably still expecting Saddam's nukes to be found down the back of the sofa cushions any day now.

Looking at the Falklands thing last week, when Thatch got ambushed on Nationwide by a housewife. Thatcher ended up telling her you'll have to wait 30 years to find out but I'm right (turned out there was enough that came out under 30 years that she was order intercepts and relative positions of all vessels to a massive sand bank..)(not trying to continue that or derail this one). More, watching her say that Nationwide, my first though was Blair and his if you knew what I knew..

..We 'll see, and that might be the really odd bit, he was first of t the younger PM's, the ones that must reasonably have expected to still be alive 30 years later

 

[Pickman's model]

Looking at the Falklands thing last week, when Thatch got ambushed on Nationwide by a housewife. Thatcher ended up telling her you'll have to wait 30 years to find out but I'm right (turned out there was enough that came out under 30 years that she was order intercepts and relative positions of all vessels to a massive sand bank..)(not trying to continue that or derail this one). More, watching her say that Nationwide, my first though was Blair and his if you knew what I knew..

..We 'll see, and that might be the really odd bit, he was first of t the younger PM's, the ones that must reasonably have expected to still be alive 30 years later

Papers no longer kept secret for thirty years so they must not expect to live so long

 

[Gramsci]

You are also correct that - bar the Labour Party and middle class liberals - there is no support for more exploited labour from the poorest parts of the EU.

The Brexit vote still rankles with people I know who are from other EU countries. They have got settled status. But the way they have been used in this debate makes them feel they are being blamed for taking jobs and undercutting wages in this country.

 

[Raheem]

The Brexit vote still rankles with people I know who are from other EU countries. They have got settled status. But they way they have been used used in this debate makes them feel they are being blamed for taking jobs and undercutting wages in this country.

Please reassure them that they are not being blamed as such, just implicated.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Keith has decided to start another legal war which he looks unlikely to win. This only brings back into focus the fact that he is covering up the Forde report due to it's horrific contents.

Judge: So, you're suing these people for leaking a report?
Keith: Yes m'lud
Judge: And what's that you have there, is it the report of an extensive investigation into the aforesaid leak?
Keith: Yes m'lud
Judge: May I see it?
Keith: No.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The Brexit vote still rankles with people I know who are from other EU countries. They have got settled status. But the way they have been used in this debate makes them feel they are being blamed for taking jobs and undercutting wages in this country.

No doubt. And Kenan Malik reminds us that the cause of low pay is capitalism and not people:

Blame the erosion of trade union power, not migrants, for poor wages | Kenan Malik

If we really want a high-wage, high-skill economy, it’s time to go back to the future

www.theguardian.com

However, the point I was making was a very specific one: the vapidity of Labour’s position on labour shortages which explicitly calls for the UK to tap into exploited labour

 

[steveseagull]

Keith's problem today. The media is swamped with news of this damning report. Keith unquestionably supported the government all the way. No one mention that Corbyn called for a lock down earlier that would have saved thousands of lives.

 

[brogdale]

No doubt. And Kenan Malik reminds us that the cause of low pay is capitalism and not people:

Blame the erosion of trade union power, not migrants, for poor wages | Kenan Malik

If we really want a high-wage, high-skill economy, it’s time to go back to the future

www.theguardian.com

However, the point I was making was a very specific one: the vapidity of Labour’s position on labour shortages which explicitly calls for the UK to tap into exploited labour

Yes, but in capitalist relations of production all labour is exploited. It doesn't seem unreasonable for any opposition to point out when a basic shortage of labour is threatening the ability to meet basic needs.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Yes, but in capitalist relations of production all labour is exploited. It doesn't seem unreasonable for any opposition to point out when a basic shortage of labour is threatening the ability to meet basic needs.

Seriously? How about calling for higher pay, better conditions, sectoral collective bargaining and planning for all workers instead?

 

[brogdale]

Seriously? How about calling for higher pay, better conditions, sectoral collective bargaining and planning for all workers instead?

Why instead; surely both?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Why instead; surely both?

Labour aren't calling for both. They are calling for visas to be issued: no trade union protection, no guarantees on job security, no negotiated pay rates and a strategic return to surplus labour pools driven by the targeted exploitation of the poorest in Europe. It's the same position as the CBI position. So, no to 'both' on the terms that they would understand.

 

[ska invita]

Labour aren't calling for both. They are calling for visas to be issued: no trade union protection, no guarantees on job security, no negotiated pay rates and a strategic return to surplus labour pools driven by the targeted exploitation of the poorest in Europe. It's the same position as the CBI position. So, no to 'both' on the terms that they would understand.

In fact it's a massive downgrade in terms of rights compared to prebrrxit

 

[gosub]

Judge: So, you're suing these people for leaking a report?
Keith: Yes m'lud
Judge: And what's that you have there, is it the report of an extensive investigation into the aforesaid leak?
Keith: Yes m'lud
Judge: May I see it?
Keith: No.

As soon as its submitted as evidence its available as public record, which would sort of adds to the idea its a malicious persecution

 

[Smokeandsteam]

In fact it's a massive downgrade in terms of rights compared to prebrrxit

The halcyon days

 

[brogdale]

Labour aren't calling for both. They are calling for visas to be issued: no trade union protection, no guarantees on job security, no negotiated pay rates and a strategic return to surplus labour pools driven by the targeted exploitation of the poorest in Europe. It's the same position as the CBI position. So, no to 'both' on the terms that they would understand.

Yes, they should be calling for both.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

So, Rodney reckons Boris just needs to apologise. A quick “soz babes” and he’s good to go. Fuck the thousands that died needlessly.

 

[SpookyFrank]

As soon as its submitted as evidence its available as public record, which would sort of adds to the idea its a malicious persecution

Not clear who is prosecuting who at this point. Seems like Milne and friends have lawyered up and threatened to sue for defamation, a case they'll win if Labour doesn't show their hand. Their hand has the Forde report in it. What Labour's game is naming these five people, and if they plan on taking legal action against any of them, I'm not sure.

This is all such a fucking mess.

 

[SpookyFrank]

So, Rodney reckons Boris just needs to apologise. A quick “soz babes” and he’s good to go. Fuck the thousands that died needlessly.

Law and order. Nick a bottle of water from a burning shop, go to prison. Do actual genocide, look at your shoes and promise not to do it again.

 

[ska invita]

Not clear who is prosecuting who at this point. Seems like Milne and friends have lawyered up and threatened to sue for defamation, a case they'll win if Labour doesn't show their hand. Their hand has the Forde report in it. What Labour's game is naming these five people, and if they plan on taking legal action against any of them, I'm not sure.

This is all such a fucking mess.

I guess Starmer is overly used to thinking the lawyers always win - hes made career of it tbf

 

[steveseagull]

They let him out to meet people again ffs

 

[steveseagull]

The whole shambles here.



No wonder he hates Corbyn. He could go out and talk to lots of people without daft publicity stunts in hi viz.

 

[Pickman's model]

The whole shambles here.



No wonder he hates Corbyn. He could go out and talk to lots of people without daft publicity stunts in hi viz.

i expect there'll be a keyer stummer - there's no one dumber in a viz later this year

 

[steveseagull]

I suspect those around him have advised him that people want to see him making a twat of himself in hi viz because Johnson does it.

His walkarounds in the summer did not exactly go to plan as no one turned up to talk to him and he ended up getting slung out of a pub.

He needs to go back to being a lawyer or whatever he did before.

 

[Chilli.s]

Fuckin Keith should apologise for being the wettest least effectual opposition that anyone can remember

 

[elbows]

Sir Steer Calmer is used to failing the tests placed in front of him, or indeed behind him. Very good!

 

[teqniq]

Fart in a trance.