Keir Starmer's time is up

[maomao]

It's fucking stupid. I mean even by the Blairite measure, just fucking lie and deal with the minor fallout in the unlikely event you get into power.

But it would have been a great opportunity. Even if (as I suspect) his green new deal is not quite the same as hers he could've said something like 'I've got a lot to say about that, but you'll have to wait till Wednesday, thanks for your support'. The only possible conclusion is that he is an absolute prick who hates Labour members. I'm getting to the point where I would support someone voting Tory against his Labour party.

 

[elbows]

Tools gold.

 

[Shechemite]

Lol

 

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He knew he'd get heckled and had some pre-prepared 'zingers'.

"They heckled me, in the middle of my tool analogy, who could work with such monsters?"

 

[maomao]

What was the heckling like? The Guardian seem to have left it out of their live feed.

 

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Couldn't really tell. One older lady seemed to be be having a go over something early on and then a few more after that, but it was all inaudible.

He ran out of comebacks after two heckles so just glared.

 

[maomao]

Couldn't really tell. One older lady seemed to be be having a go over something early on and then a few more after that, but it was all inaudible.

He ran out of comebacks after two heckles so just glared.

Were the comebacks at all snappy?

 

[not-bono-ever]

He missed a chance to crack a joke about thatchers experience in brighton. He should have slipped it in somewhere

 

[not-bono-ever]

I would have. Maybe that’s why i am not a sir and public figure

 

[hitmouse]

Anyway, I'll bow out now before I start blathering on about Starmer being a "floating signifier" Nobody needs to heat that nonsense!

So did Starmer fuck that pig or didn't he?

This is a very odd use of language, 'lost in the woods', no? It's making me think of Boris and Gove and Priti on some sort of outward bound thing, jolly japes in a rural idyll. It doesn't seem that bad - bit of contact with the natural world and all that. If anything it seems to make the Tories appear more environmentally sensitive. If he'd said 'lost in the desert' at least it conjures up scarcity, both regarding things in the shops and ideas!

Having a picnic in the woods near Barnard Castle, maybe?

What the fuck is it with him always holding a coffee in these publicity shots? I've seen it several times now.

PR whatthefuckery aside, it's not a great look environmentally.

But most importantly, is it a frothy coffee?

 

[gosub]

Lol

got spun on the 2pm BBC radio news as a contrast to Corbyn....which was odd cos my first thought on hearing the headline was it was a contrast from the no dissent days of Blair et al

 

[Rimbaud]

If he is promising a green new deal why was he so fucking rude to that young woman who wanted to talk to him about it the other day?

Cos he's a dickhead.

 

[JimW]

Tories in the woods are burying bodies.

 

[two sheds]

but nobody can hear them.

 

[Dogsauce]

but nobody can hear them.

I think the premise that nobody can hear them scream in the forest should be tested. You can get quite good cordless power tools these days.

 

[Wilf]

He missed a chance to crack a joke about thatchers experience in brighton. He should have slipped it in somewhere

Bombed?

 

[Sue]

I think the premise that nobody can hear them scream in the forest should be tested. You can get quite good cordless power tools these days.

That's space....

 

[Dogsauce]

That's space....

Well, we could try that one as well.

 

[maomao]

I think the premise that nobody can hear them scream in the forest should be tested. You can get quite good cordless power tools these days.

Things you can't hear in different places:

Forests - trees falling when no-one's around
Space - people screaming
Bedrooms - your mum coming when you're having a wank with headphones on

 

[Pickman's model]

If he was giving a speech in our front garden I would close the curtains.

And stuck your fingers in your ears crying la la la I can't hear you

 

[Sprocket.]

And stuck your fingers in your ears crying la la la I can't hear you

I haven’t ever heard anything from that end of the party worth listening to anyhoo.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Christ, watching clips on ch4 news. Even worse than I imagined.

 

[philosophical]

Starmer said one thing, insignificant to many and probably overlooked, that actually had meaning for me and was recognition of my lifetime of work that others would like to diminish or dismiss. It is the first time ever I have heard a leading politician say it so specifically and I felt surprisingly moved.
It was when he was talking about education and wanting young people to be creative, cooperative, communicative and well rounded and he mentioned my specialism in terms of it’s educational value.
I am retired from the field now, but hearing it gave me a lift, and some hope.

 

[brogdale]

Chakrabortty in the Guardian makes this useful observation:

At times today, it felt as though we were sitting through the best speech ever delivered by the head of the Crown Prosecution Service. But a politician’s speech, reading the mood of the moment or weaving his own story into that of the country? Not that.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[ska invita]

I can see why someone advising Starmer thought CRIME was a good thing to run with and stick front and centre, because Starmer is a natural cop at heart, so at least it has a ring of honesty about it, but its so out of step with the mood of the country - I cant imagine even swing seat daily mail readers currently have Crime anywhere near the top of their priorities.

 

[brogdale]

It was all that "beauty" in the "dignity of labour" crap that made me want to vomit; talk about out of touch.

 

[MickiQ]

I have this mental vision of Boris watching the Labour Party conference on the Tv whilst cacklingly evilly and stroking a cat

 

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It was all that "beauty" in the "dignity of labour" crap that made me want to vomit; talk about out of touch.

Some Red Wall pensioner who retired early with their own home and healthy pension probably mentioned it in a focus group. You'd get a different response from a younger person facing a life of renting, precarity and joyless low wage toil ahead of them.

EDIT: precarity, not peculiarity - damn auto correct