Keir Starmer's time is up

[oryx]

Quite apart from the acronym, is that photo of Starmer with three older (and all white) women really the best illustration of what winning the future looks like?

Those three ladies certainly don't look like the future :O

Ageist.

The women are about 75 at a guess. It's entirely possible they'll live another twenty years, and be rightly concerned about the NHS and social care.

 

[andysays]

...The women are about 75 at a guess. It's entirely possible they'll live another twenty years, and be rightly concerned about the NHS and social care.

Quite true, but do you really think that photo of Starmer with three older (and all white) women is the best illustration of what winning the future looks like?

 

[two sheds]

Have we had Keefs new slogan yet? ' Win the future'
Said it in the Guardian and now tweeting.
Has no one pointed out the acronym to him

They've clearly been forming scrums to come up with all of this. Admiration for whichever team player came up with Win The Future. Three word slogan, Catchy, memorable.

 

[glitch hiker]

Ageist.

The women are about 75 at a guess. It's entirely possible they'll live another twenty years, and be rightly concerned about the NHS and social care.

It was a joke, ffs.

Though given Labour's electorate are largely younger one wonders why not appeal to them more since they are going to be the future of the party. It' snot the most vibrant campaign is it, hoping to steal the Tories' traditional demographic

 

[oryx]

Quite true, but do you really think that photo of Starmer with three older (and all white) women is the best illustration of what winning the future looks like?

No, but it's designed to appeal to northern, older, Red Wall voters, who are the people Labour needs to win back.

 

[ruffneck23]

It was a joke, ffs.

Though given Labour's electorate are largely younger one wonders why not appeal to them more since they are going to be the future of the party. It' snot the most vibrant campaign is it, hoping to steal the Tories' traditional demographic

Because the younger people believe in socialism and that's a no no for Keir and his motley crew.

My friend's 16 year old is convinced he is a tory plant

 

[oryx]

It was a joke, ffs.

Though given Labour's electorate are largely younger one wonders why not appeal to them more since they are going to be the future of the party. It' snot the most vibrant campaign is it, hoping to steal the Tories' traditional demographic

Because Labour need to win floating voters, who may or may not be the Tories' traditional demographic.

I have a lot of issues with Starmer, mainly around the kind of thing that steveseagull posted above, but an attempt to appeal to older, Northern voters by using a photograph of their demographic group isn't particularly one of them.

 

[Cerv]

It was a joke, ffs.

Though given Labour's electorate are largely younger one wonders why not appeal to them more since they are going to be the future of the party. It' snot the most vibrant campaign is it, hoping to steal the Tories' traditional demographic

they already have the young vote locked up. to win elections need to also win over at least some of the (older) people who voted elsewhere.

unless you think this photo op is going to lose them more their existing voters than it gains them. it seems pretty inoffensive though.

 

[andysays]

No, but it's designed to appeal to northern, older, Red Wall voters, who are the people Labour needs to win back.

Do you think it's deliberately designed that way? I'm not sure, TBH.

But if so, I don't think Labour should be putting all its eggs in the "northern, older, Red Wall voters" basket, not to the extent of of only including that sort of person in images like this, especially if they're launching a slogan about Winning the Future.

IMO, they should use images that suggest a far wider appeal, perhaps using three women of different generations to symbolise/suggest this.

I think it's also unfortunate that all the women are white, TBH.

 

[tony.c]

Admiration for whichever team player came up with Win The Future. Three word slogan, Catchy, memorable.

Or WTF for short?

 

[oryx]

But if so, I don't think Labour should be putting all its eggs in the "northern, older, Red Wall voters" basket, not to the extent of of only including that sort of person in images like this, especially if they're launching a slogan about Winning the Future.

Neither do I, at all, but your posting seems to suggest that 'older, white women' and 'the future' are mutually exclusive.

 

[andysays]

Neither do I, at all, but your posting seems to suggest that 'older, white women' and 'the future' are mutually exclusive.

It really doesn't.

 

[oryx]

It really doesn't.

Certainly does to me.

 

[andysays]

Certainly does to me.

Well, TBH, I think that says more about your misinterpretation than about anything I've actually written.

 

[oryx]

Well, TBH, I think that says more about your misinterpretation than about anything I've actually written.

O............K

 

[Puddy_Tat]

they already have the young vote locked up.

do they?

i haven't got the energy to look for links, but there's some suggestions that the green party is picking up some young people

theres one or two new leftish parties that might pick up a small handful of votes

there's the 'not voting' option (i'm hardly a youth but not sure i could be bothered to vote if there was a ge any time soon)

and there's always the chance the limp dems will realise there's not much to be gained from being the 3rd choice tory party and try and make noises to attract them?

 

[NoXion]

do they?

i haven't got the energy to look for links, but there's some suggestions that the green party is picking up some young people

theres one or two new leftish parties that might pick up a small handful of votes

there's the 'not voting' option (i'm hardly a youth but not sure i could be bothered to vote if there was a ge any time soon)

and there's always the chance the limp dems will realise there's not much to be gained from being the 3rd choice tory party and try and make noises to attract them?

Labour lost the "red wall" in part because they took those votes for granted. I wouldn't be surprised if further losses with other demographics were to happen, hardly unlikely with the current shower in charge.

 

[Serene]

How has this obviously rich Tory got in control of the Labour party? Does he pretend to like football to convince people he is working class?

 

[The39thStep]

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I'm sure all the younger voters who turned out to vote for Corbyn and his policies were just safe Labour votes who'll be equally happy voting for a party who dismiss their concerns in favour of appealing to (their own weird idea of) old northern voters.

 

[SpookyFrank]

they already have the young vote locked up. to win elections need to also win over at least some of the (older) people who voted elsewhere.

They don't have the young vote locked up at all. Corbyn did, so Starmer spent a year and a half scouring any trace of him from the party.

 

[kabbes]

The youth who grew up in a world already remade in a Thatcherite conceptualisation of society, for whom Blairite public-private partnerships are a given and it is natural to see the market as the best way of organising things — these youth are natural Conservative voters.

 

[killer b]

They don't have the young vote locked up at all. Corbyn did

don't think this is totally true - in 2017 maybe, but there was big swings away from Labour in the young in 2019

 

[The39thStep]

The youth who grew up in a world already remade in a Thatcherite conceptualisation of society, for whom Blairite public-private partnerships are a given and it is natural to see the market as the best way of organising things — these youth are natural Conservative voters.

Not surprising for the reasons you state. Saw some research a few years ago which showed on social issues very liberal but on economic issues conservative, be interesting to have a dig to see if there are any class issues and whether this still stands up.

 

[The39thStep]

Still recall that Labour , at least under Corbyn had an impressive youth vote but that young people less likely to vote

 

[kabbes]

Yes, the biggest risk to the Tories in terms of youth voters is being the nasty party. So long as they say the right things about diversity and identity rights and other social liberal ideas, they’ll be fine with the youth

 

[a_chap]

Have just seen the new catchphrase "Win the future".

Has no-one got the balls to tell him it's missing the word "in"? A rhetorical question, I know, but at least him saying he wants to "win in the future" make some sense.

"Win the future" is literally meaningless.

 

[maomao]

Have just seen the new catchphrase "Win the future".

Has no-one got the balls to tell him it's missing the word "in"? A rhetorical question, I know, but at least him saying he wants to "win in the future" make some sense.

"Win the future" is literally meaningless.

No it's not. It's shit but it's not meaningless and 'win in the future' (when? 300 years from now?) would be even shitter. The future cannot be literally 'won' but if the only meaningful sentences were ones that were capable of being literally true then almost no literature or art would exist.

 

[ska invita]

in a world hurtling to climate catastrophe Win A Future almost works

 

[Pickman's model]

didn't realise sks had been human rights adviser to the northern ireland policing board - found this by chance







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