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Keir Starmer's time is up

Almor said:
Starmer has a chat with a group of ex-labour voters and makes a video of him making excuses to a guy who hasn't voted Labour since 97 who says it's because the party's too divided by losers, argues weakly with a woman who says forget about under 25's because they're all lazy and don't want to work (the woman in the meme above), can't remember what he says to the guy who stopped voting Labour in 2010 who says it's because of corbyn's toxic legacy, and then there's a bit at the end where some woman says that she was surprised by how much personality and charisma he displayed

There was some stuff about Blackpool being left behind and poverty, and how can Labour pay to fix those if the tories can't, which is apparently about priorities

Can't believe that I watched it to end, but at least you don't have to 😕
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Thank you for your service
 
Hardly surprised at three of those groups, well all four really. Labour in Exile is mostly people who have been or want to be expelled, Resist is the Friends of Chris Williamson and socialist appeal are the militant who stuck with ted grant. Labour Against the Witch-hunt has some ‘legacy members’ from when they weren’t just crude as shit (at best) about anti Semitism. Won’t be any great loss, I’m sure the few remaining sane members could talk their way out of any expulsions.
 
Medieval Doctor 1: We have let so much blood and yet the patient has worsened.
Medieval Doctor 2: It is clear then that you have not let enough blood, bleed the patient more.
Medieval Doctor 1: I have done so and it is not even twenty points ahead of the Lib fucking Dems let alone the Tories
Medieval Doctor 2: Then there must still be ill Corbyn humors, we must bleed them out.
Medieval Doctor 1:
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belboid said:
Hardly surprised at three of those groups, well all four really. Labour in Exile is mostly people who have been or want to be expelled, Resist is the Friends of Chris Williamson and socialist appeal are the militant who stuck with ted grant. Labour Against the Witch-hunt has some ‘legacy members’ from when they weren’t just crude as shit (at best) about anti Semitism. Won’t be any great loss, I’m sure the few remaining sane members could talk their way out of any expulsions.
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I respect your opinion on this...I doubt it will play as reasonably with other embattled members.
 
Almor said:
Starmer has a chat with a group of ex-labour voters and makes a video of him making excuses to a guy who hasn't voted Labour since 97 who says it's because the party's too divided by losers, argues weakly with a woman who says forget about under 25's because they're all lazy and don't want to work (the woman in the meme above), can't remember what he says to the guy who stopped voting Labour in 2010 who says it's because of corbyn's toxic legacy, and then there's a bit at the end where some woman says that she was surprised by how much personality and charisma he displayed

There was some stuff about Blackpool being left behind and poverty, and how can Labour pay to fix those if the tories can't, which is apparently about priorities

Can't believe that I watched it to end, but at least you don't have to 😕
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I did watch It to the end.

Three topics. First being under 25s. It was two people quoted in the news item saying don't bother with the under 25s as they are lazy and don't want to work.

It was hour long and these were selective quotes but I do wonder where the BBC get these people from.

I'd assume that topic of under 25s would have meant something to the panel chosen. But no.
 
belboid said:
Hardly surprised at three of those groups, well all four really. Labour in Exile is mostly people who have been or want to be expelled, Resist is the Friends of Chris Williamson and socialist appeal are the militant who stuck with ted grant. Labour Against the Witch-hunt has some ‘legacy members’ from when they weren’t just crude as shit (at best) about anti Semitism. Won’t be any great loss, I’m sure the few remaining sane members could talk their way out of any expulsions.
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I think you'll find that this is just testing the water. The real target is Momentum and the Socialist Campaign Group which is really where this is all leading.
 
There’s no chance they’ll try expel the campaign group, they’ve been a mainstay of the party for decades, unlike any of the other groups.

they might like to get rid of momentum but, firstly, there are still too many of them. And because they aren’t really any kind of threat any more, they’re generally ‘good activists’ who aren’t likely to take over a branch any more.
 
This is an interesting take.


I rather think the scorched-earth tendency on the Labour Right have written off the next election and are plotting for what comes after 2024 (probably D. Miliband if they can smuggle him into the country under cover of a General Election.) Whether the 'soft' Left are up for this wild ride into the abyss is difficult to gauge, though they have spent the last 40 years meekly following wherever the Right have led, so it would be true to form.
 
Leighsw2 said:
This is an interesting take.


I rather think the scorched-earth tendency on the Labour Right have written off the next election and are plotting for what comes after 2024 (probably D. Miliband if they can smuggle him into the country under cover of a General Election.) Whether the 'soft' Left are up for this wild ride into the abyss is difficult to gauge, though they have spent the last 40 years meekly following wherever the Right have led, so it would be true to form.
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Is there any evidence or sources for this or is it just what he thinks?
 
Pickman's model said:
i am astonished socialist appeal are still going, i know someone out of that during the poll tax and assumed the group had died out
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I was astounded about five years ago when they suddenly appeared again. And they had young people involved for some reason. Still the same dreadful old politics )maybe even worse, one of the first things they came out with was a defense of shooting down that Ukrainian plane).
 
belboid said:
I was astounded about five years ago when they suddenly appeared again. And they had young people involved for some reason. Still the same dreadful old politics )maybe even worse, one of the first things they came out with was a defense of shooting down that Ukrainian plane).
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ah the auld moscow gold still flows i see
 
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