Keir Starmer's time is up

[Funky_monks]

Good article in Tribune, I thought:

Labour’s Election Disaster Is Keir Starmer’s to Own

Keir Starmer has attempted to blame today's election disaster on Jeremy Corbyn – but his leadership has hollowed out the party, refused to offer a vision for change and left many with little reason to vote Labour.

tribunemag.co.uk

Best if you ignore the picture at the top and read to the end where it talks about Labour's success in Manchester and Salford. Thought the bit about Salford was especially interesting.

I think I posted about Salford on the local elections thread - It's where I'm from originally. Seems that the mayor, Paul Dennet - whilst controversial is a strong Socialist. Central Govt will not allow more council houses to be built and Salford, being Salford they decided not to do what they were told, and the council set up a company which....er....builds council houses (analysis by my mum via whatsapp yesterday.... ). Manchester - Andy Burnham popular, openly calls himself a socialist, sticks two fingers up at BoJo during the pandemic - romps home. Liverpool, South Wales, all places with socialist candidates, all did well. I wonder if the party will pick upon this "socialism is popular" trend?

 

[Serge Forward]

Don't be daft, votes from the woke metropolitan elite don't count and are actually negative for Labour

Must tell my 90 year old mam in Salford that she's now woke metropolitan elite

 

[JTG]

I think I posted about Salford on the local elections thread - It's where I'm from originally. Seems that the mayor, Paul Dennet - whilst controversial is a strong Socialist. Central Govt will not allow more council houses to be built and Salford, being Salford they decided not to do what they were told, and the council set up a company which....er....builds council houses (analysis by my mum via whatsapp yesterday.... ). Manchester - Andy Burnham popular, openly calls himself a socialist, sticks two fingers up at BoJo during the pandemic - romps home. Liverpool, South Wales, all places with socialist candidates, all did well. I wonder if the party will pick upon this "socialism is popular" trend?

Burnham and Rotheram both intending to take the buses into public ownership as well

 

[JTG]

Must tell my 90 year old mam in Salford that she's now woke metropolitan elite

Knowsley, Salford, Preston - all metropolitan elite now I'm afraid

 

[Rimbaud]

Knowsley, Salford, Preston - all metropolitan elite now I'm afraid

The "woke metropolitan elite" is just blatant projection from the Labour right isn't it?

Combined with their own snobbery that all beyond the M25 are knuckle dragging troglodytes who love flags, pints, and racism.

 

[killer b]

Knowsley, Salford, Preston - all metropolitan elite now I'm afraid

I don't know Knowsley so well, but I know Preston and Salford and they both have 'metropolitan' stuff going on - large universities, thriving liberal arts scenes, hipster coffee joints and the like. Salford has the BBC based there, Preston is the administrative capital of Lancashire...

Which isn't to say that there aren't things to be learned from the local Labour Council actions, but it also isn't as simple as saying 'these guys do socialism and that's what's stopped them falling to the tories' - there's a lot of other structural differences too.

 

[JTG]

The "woke metropolitan elite" is just blatant projection from the Labour right isn't it?

Combined with their own snobbery that all beyond the M25 are knuckle dragging troglodytes who love flags, pints, and racism.

Yes, because it's the law for the Labour Party to hate their own voters.

It's also a Tory/hard right attack line. Basically anybody who lives in a city and gives due consideration to the needs of other people can be a part of it

 

[Funky_monks]

Must tell my 90 year old mam in Salford that she's now woke metropolitan elite

Mam and dad are woke as fuck, they like all the Liberal metropolitan things: Rugby league, meat pies, 60s beat combos.....

 

[JTG]

Mam and dad are woke as fuck, they like all the Liberal metropolitan things: Rugby league, meat pies, 60s beat combos.....

Clearly they're super-ironic hipsters

 

[Smokeandsteam]

One of the few genuine working class voices in the PLP..



Starmer is not only absolutely out of his depth politically but he’s also a shithouse. So much for ‘taking full responsibility’

 

[JTG]

It seems that Keith is taking full responsibility by sacking Rayner as party chair

 

[redsquirrel]

Ignoring the wider significance it is another terrible move (if it is the case) in internal party political terms - simply adding to his enemies within the party.

Starmer really is terrible politician (in the narrow politicking sense), the failures over Brexit. The total removal of any of the left within the shadow cabinet making him more vulnerable to attacks from the right of the party.

 

[JTG]

The left will be telling Rayner that this is what happens if you play with snakes

 

[Steel Icarus]

It seems that Keith is taking full responsibility by sacking Rayner as party chair

 

[JTG]

I'm agog at this man's political instincts

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Starmer really is terrible politician (in the narrow politicking

Utterly abysmal. This is just absolutely shit politics. I’ll reconnect us to the northern working class by sacking the only northern working class woman in the shadow cabinet. He’s clueless, so bad it’s breathtaking.

 

[magneze]

I blame the parents. Naming him Kier, thinks he's born to do the job, probably even more than Johnson. But is of course shit at it.

 

[Serge Forward]

Mam and dad are woke as fuck, they like all the Liberal metropolitan things: Rugby league, meat pies, 60s beat combos.....

You missed out pigeon fancying.

Mind you, they used to knock about with Shelagh Delaney back in the day, and that's proper woke Top Trumps for Old Mother Forward

 

[JTG]

I blame the parents. Naming him Kier, thinks he's born to do the job, probably even more than Johnson. But is of course shit at it.

wtf man, it's Kieth

 

[Mr Moose]

Yes, because it's the law for the Labour Party to hate their own voters.

It's also a Tory/hard right attack line. Basically anybody who lives in a city and gives due consideration to the needs of other people can be a part of it

It’s also a bit of a slur suggesting that Northern areas are homogeneously whippet owning Andy Capp types who couldn’t possibly be interested in anti-racism or social justice or that young people in those areas who are interested in those things are not the working class.

If Labour actually does stuff for people, has ambitions for them and their areas, doesn’t offer more austerity, then the problems of any cultural differences reduce.

 

[kebabking]

Panicky, stupid, self-defeating, hubristic stuff...

I'm not a huge fan of Rayner, but firstly it would appear that she wasn't central to the campaign while Starmers people were, and secondly - perhaps more importantly - it tells people in the LP that it doesn't matter how loyal you are, that Starmer will throw you under a bus to detract from his/his friends failures.

It also suggests that his look/analyse/learn/action cycle takes about 8 minutes, which says little for its rigour and effectiveness...

 

[Sprocket.]

So much for being reflective, instant reactive knee jerking from someone who doesn’t have a clue.
Any plans to reconnect with previous supporters will take years, it cannot be repaired by ridiculous displays in a weekend.

 

[kebabking]

I reckon he'll be gone by Sept 23, and I doubt labour will be seriously challenging for government before 2030.

Out in the wilderness against a real heavyweight like Thatcher I can understand, but against Cameron and Johnson? Fucking hell....

 

[SpookyFrank]

The left will be telling Rayner that this is what happens if you play with snakes

And they'll not be wrong.

 

[oryx]

I'm genuinely quite shocked at Rayner's sacking.

Bad, bad look.

I don't dislike her at all though not her biggest fan, but as others have said it does look like a woman who's a genuinely working class voice being made to carry the can for Starmer's lack of popularity.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I'm agog at this man's lack of political instincts

There. Fixed that for you.

 

[brogdale]

Has he appointed Paul Williams as the national Campaign Co-ordinator yet?

 

[Petcha]

If she was the one in charge of coordinating this campaign then surely she was in the firing line. Losing to Boris so badly, when he should have been on his knees electorally, defies belief.

The timing's a bit bizarre so I assume that there was a pretty 'honest' exchange of words which led to Starmer pressing the nuclear button. He's usually a very calm, collected guy like most top lawyers. Some bad shit must have gone down behind the scenes there.

 

[JTG]

If she was the one in charge of coordinating this campaign then surely she was in the firing line. Losing to Boris so badly, when he should have been on his knees electorally, defies belief.

The timing's a bit bizarre so I assume that there was a pretty 'honest' exchange of words which led to Starmer pressing the nuclear button. He's usually a very calm, collected guy like most top lawyers. Some bad shit must have gone down behind the scenes there.

Thanks for the insight Sir Keith

 

[Kaka Tim]

Fucking wow. Sacking raynor! has starmer lost his mind? In the past 24hours he's gone from ineffective shite to some whole new dimension of appallingly, incompetently, dementedly shite.
Regardless of their ideological position, Surely anyone with a modicum of political acumen within Labour has got to see that he's a disaster.
Chaotic. Divisive. Inept.
Gtfo kieth.