Keir Starmer's time is up

[Jeff Robinson]

You bet they are

Based on his username alone its impossible that he isn't cancer.

 

[Kaka Tim]

christ - starmer's response to the kicking labour has just received should ring his political death knell. It encapsulates everything as to why he is such a disaster.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Based on his username alone its impossible that he isn't cancer.

If he'd only shoehorned 'common sense' in there somewhere he'd have the royal flush of smug bullshit.

 

[gosub]

 

[ska invita]

Really interesting where Team Starmer go from here.

All indications are that they're going to move further to the right - that way spells even more clashes with unions and members and of course away from core voters.
The unions seem pissed off to me. Will they act on that?

Will Starmer HQ keep up their awkward beers and flag shtick?
Will they try and patch things up with the left? I cant see it, but it would be interesting to watch (fail).

I still think the issues of Israel will become a live one between Starmer and the membership. Trumps 'recognition' of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital is going to bite more and more in the coming months. (I wonder if Biden might yet back track on that?). I fear the conflict entering a new phase and becoming a live news agenda issue <which is all Starmer cares about of course. The Human Rights Watch finding Israel to be an apartheid state brings the issues around legal definitions of antisemitism etc back in the arena. Starmer has built himself a house of cards on this.

I doubt there will be a snap election. Why would the Tories bother? They've got a massive working majority and seems to me the more time that passes the more I think Labour will fall apart. I just can't see the team around Starmer having it in them to resolve this which means slow decay and deeper entrenchment of resentments.

Starmers whole plan was don't rock the boat then drop policies ahead of an election, but that's years away. A week is a long time in politics never mind years, and there's so much that may yet happen.

The broadly agreed logic amongst global capitalists is to print money and spend it, and I expect Tories will do just enough of that to stay out of electoral trouble - and basically appear to the left of Labour. They've already done that once with the Corporation Tax thing.

Oh, and as well as awkward Conference(s) on the horizon there's quite a few internal court cases against Labour IIRC, not least Corbyn himself. Forde Report too. What a car crash

 

[teqniq]

 

[brogdale]

triples all round!

 

[flypanam]

Apparently what the country needs isn't a dull middle manager with no ideas of his own. I'm shocked.

Francois Hollande has thrown his hat in.

 

[ska invita]

christ - starmer's response to the kicking labour has just received should ring his political death knell. It encapsulates everything as to why he is such a disaster.

 

[brogdale]

The thing is, Thursday's electoral disaster for Labour was well signposted, so he had plenty of time to fashion some sort of coherent response. Instead he went full-on bizarre vacuous twaddle.

 

[ska invita]

The thing is, Thursday's electoral disaster for Labour was well signposted, so he had plenty of time to fashion some sort of coherent response. Instead he went full-on bizarre vacuous twaddle.

Yes, it was expected - but it was much much worse than expected.
As was pointed out the CWU poll that had Labour losing by 7% in Hartlepool infuriated the Starmerites

Labour cries foul over union poll showing Tories on track to take Hartlepool

CWU-commissioned poll ‘cosying up to Conservatives’ in crucial byelection, party figures claim

www.theguardian.com

Yet they ended up losing by 23% was it? Something like that.
Thats a huge difference, and surely must create a profound loss of confidence amongst the Starmer true believers, including Kier himself.


Its weird, im feeling quite happy about these election results. Scottish independence is looking on track and Starmer has taken a bloodier beating than expected. Thats as good a result as can be expected within the limits of this democratic system.

 

[splonkydoo]

That's the constable off deep space 9 isn't it?

At least Odo was a decent shape-shifter.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Instead he went full-on bizarre vacuous twaddle.

playing to his strengths...

 

[MrSki]

 

[Wilf]

That interview was a forensic examination of a vacuum.

 

[BobDavis]

If Labour move to the right then they will meet the Tories going the other way. At least they will if the Tories intend to keep their promises.

 

[Wilf]

Burnham's just about to win the Manchester mayor thing, with an increased majority. I don't see any significant moves against starmer, but if there were, there really is nobody other than him or Khan. But things are so bad for Labour at the moment that the job of finding a winnable by election for either of them is far from easy. They might end up stuck with starmer for purely mechanical reasons.

Labour's got the full on death rattle going on at the moment, but the first past the post system won't let them die off. Of course we were having similar discussions circa 1983... Oh, hang on, that party did die off.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

if the Tories intend to keep their promises.

 

[JTG]

Burnham's just about to win the Manchester mayor thing, with an increased majority.

76% of the vote

 

[Wilf]

76% of the vote

... cue opinion polls this weekend asking Hartlepool voters if they'd have voted for Labour with Burnham as leader.

 

[BobDavis]

If the Tories fail to deliver on their promises then all good for Labour. I wonder how many Tory MPs are quietly worried that Johnson’s rash promises to level up can only be delivered by socialism ?

 

[The39thStep]

76% of the vote

67%

 

[JTG]

... cue opinion polls this weekend asking Hartlepool voters if they'd have voted for Labour with Burnham as leader.

Don't be daft, votes from the woke metropolitan elite don't count and are actually negative for Labour

 

[JTG]

67%

Oh. Easily done I guess

 

[Orang Utan]

at ‘current’

 

[oryx]

Good article in Tribune, I thought:

Labour’s Election Disaster Is Keir Starmer’s to Own

Keir Starmer has attempted to blame today's election disaster on Jeremy Corbyn – but his leadership has hollowed out the party, refused to offer a vision for change and left many with little reason to vote Labour.

tribunemag.co.uk

Best if you ignore the picture at the top and read to the end where it talks about Labour's success in Manchester and Salford. Thought the bit about Salford was especially interesting.

 

[Mr Moose]

If the Tories fail to deliver on their promises then all good for Labour. I wonder how many Tory MPs are quietly worried that Johnson’s rash promises to level up can only be delivered by socialism ?

I hope they do deliver as it carries on making the case for intervention. They can then be taken down on their sleaze.

But there will also be plenty they don’t do and what they do will be done unfairly, punishing non-Tory voters. And they certainly won’t reverse the marketisation of everything so there will be that individual disadvantage to address, those excluded by the narrowing of housing and other opportunities.

 

[two sheds]

If the Tories fail to deliver on their promises then all good for Labour. I wonder how many Tory MPs are quietly worried that Johnson’s rash promises to level up can only be delivered by socialism ?

Like those 40 new hospitals they've built? It makes no fucking difference when Johnson lies or they don't deliver on their promises, media just ignore it.

 

[Funky_monks]

Please tell me that's a spoof?

 

[two sheds]

Apart from the sadness in his eyes he is increasingly looking like (sorry, have posted it before)