Artaxerxes
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You know you don’t have to contribute all the time?
Just Stop Oil
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You know you don’t have to contribute all the time?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh i've seen you demonstrate that with posts like this ^^ which don't contribute anything
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I was thinking more about getting regular Summer days approaching 50c here in the UK. Same point is more or less true for the Summers with temps regularly tipping 40c. Daily life as we know it - the stuff that JSO are targeting - will be impossible. Sure, at 40c, most of us aren't gonna die (though it will kill thousands) but driving to work in an office in the middle of the day? Playing sport in the full sun? Schools staying open? Dress codes requiring jackets and ties? Beer gardens, lawns, loft conversions, etc etc. We're very, very close to all this mundane, banal stuff we take for granted being changed forever.
That's now, before the coming collapse a few short years later.
That's now, before the coming collapse a few short years later.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
17 years or thereabouts until the collapse. quicker if things kick off the year after next.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I dunno, I think it's worth repeating the details of how much more disruptive climate change will be to people's lives than the protests of JSO.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Many of the arguments on last nights moral maze were asking if JSO was morally right to potentially stop people getting to their hospital appointments because of disruption on the roads.
They occasionally slipped into the grounds of is climate change real and the vicar or whoever he was as a witness it turned out didn't even believe climate change was real. I turned off shortly after that in disgust so I don't know what conclusions they came to.
They occasionally slipped into the grounds of is climate change real and the vicar or whoever he was as a witness it turned out didn't even believe climate change was real. I turned off shortly after that in disgust so I don't know what conclusions they came to.
Yep - the Moral Maze is shite. The BBC really shouldn’t give a platform to cranks like Claire Fox & Calvin Robinson especially anything that is about morals. It’s deliberately trying to make things black and white and provoke conflict. Same with Question Time.
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
JSO disrupt the British open
news.sky.com
Just Stop Oil protesters disrupt The Open golf championships
Just Stop Oil protesters have disrupted The Open golf championships with a smoke flare and orange powder at the 17th hole.
news.sky.com
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
I'm wondering what impression it makes, if all you see of JSO, is twitter/social media clips of them being harassed/attacked/run over by angry people? Is it a winning strategy?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
If it puts fossil fuels and global warming in the news perhaps it is justified.
But does it?
hash tag
Books, not bombs
The harassment Etc. is just a recent thing, there has been whinging in much of the press for some while.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Tbh there's little to no support from people just trying to not die in the meantime tho. I get the long view, I'm doing long term strategic stuff that's 5 years min. Not long but for corporate it is.
Most just want to be able to get paid and not have to be held up by anyone. Don't care who. I'm unaffected, wfh etc. Someone holds me up for reasons beyond my control is annoying.
It isn't an unpopular view, people want stuff to get better. They also don't want to be personally inconvenienced tho. The companies and governments need to be targeted. Those trying to scrape by just get annoyed
Not really, I'm unaffected and much as I hate seeing physical harm directed at anyone. The clip in particular was horrifying. A lot will think well get out the fucking way. Again not affected. Again never hit anyone ever, even after being hit myself and no consequences.
Stop my relative or anyone getting emergency treatment however and I'm immediately against it. I get the point but also don't care at the same time. Don't kill people from negligence. Doctor or protestor.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
A clip doing the rounds yesterday had a woman get out of her car and tell/ask the slow walkers to get out of the way because she had a hospital appointment for her baby. I've no idea if that was true, but they didn't.
It's not entirely clear from the clip but you can hear her mention her baby. Assuming it is true: get the fuck out of the way. You lose nothing and gain everything. of course everyone else will then pile on in the traffic propbably making returing to protest impossible. I'd link the tweet but the source is very likely dodgy, unfortunately.
It's not entirely clear from the clip but you can hear her mention her baby. Assuming it is true: get the fuck out of the way. You lose nothing and gain everything. of course everyone else will then pile on in the traffic propbably making returing to protest impossible. I'd link the tweet but the source is very likely dodgy, unfortunately.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Why would they get out of the way for a baby going to hospital? In their view, the imminent mass extinction of humanity which they're striving to prevent is more important than one baby.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Post it up then.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
I have no idea whose account this is and I don't wish to find out. This appears to be the fullest representation of the exchange. It's not clear what she's saying, but it does appear to be as represented
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
In an ironical twist the car that the woman/baby are in is a Leaf so it's electric anyway. JSO could argue that there is a huge fuss over the sake of one baby not getting to its hospital appointment in the West whereas hundreds of thousand of babies are at risk in the developing world due to global warming that doesn't get the same attention. Of course if they start making points like that, people won't peep their horns at them, they will start stringing them up from lampposts.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
I have seen that exact defence. It just isn't a good look
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Protests that don't involve detaining random members of the public for a start. People might be annoyed by the sports event ones but they're not shitting on working people's personal business. Blocking a few randoms on some street and asserting that disrupting whatever they're doing is a good way to lobby the government is pretty batshit when you think about it.
It's consciousness raising not political lobbying, utilitarian
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
How is kettling random people on a street "consciousness raising?" That's even more batshit.
Perhaps they should listen to this JSO member, and do something a bit different instead of carrying on with same old people-blocking shit:
How do you know they’re working? Is it okay to disrupt non-working people? Or do you just say that to lazily echo the language the right wing press does to try and discredit any argument?
Of course it is, we're talking about it.How is kettling random people on a street "consciousness raising?" That's even more batshit.
You think that political lobbying is the best way to end new fossil fuel production?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I'm pretty sure that by detaining a random selection of people on a typical city street they will be disrupting working people. Sure it doesn't matter if they're working or not - the JSO protestors have no idea who the random people are that they're detaining or what they're doing that day, whether they're going to a hospital, a funeral, going to a job, off to play golf or just going around town aimlessly. That's the point - how is detaining a select few randoms on a street supposed to be comparable to disrupting a sporting event, live TV program, oil refinery or whatever else might help them exert pressure or raise their consciousness or whatever? If it was you could pop out and stop Maureen and Chris from entering the Dulwich Picture Gallery, or make sure Jeff, Pete and Annabelle can't get out of Tesco until 15:30. A bit of swearing, upload to Instagram and jobs a good'un.
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