Jews stoned in East End (again)
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invisibleplanet
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GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
yup you need to use unicode i think and the chariter limitatons are still in place for them.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Cheers Garf.
No Garf, you are the fool in this instance.
An apology or at least an acknowledgement that you went off cock-eyed at me would have made you look the bigger, more gernerous man.
Now you look petulant and sulky. Pity.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
really so the exterminate kill comments at the end of the song which geese are these about exactly?
which bumper stickers are they from?
which animal rights group is advocating such a thing?
get you're facts straight and then come back to the table...
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
D'accord. Agreed.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
you have said it's about the song for you.
So i apologise for suggesation your were a zionist.
it doesn't however, remove the fact that the song you like has some nasty seniment contained within it which you seem to be willing to ignore.
I guess this could down down the lines of bitches and hoes type argument in Gangsta rap and whether this is mysoginisitic.
However, i'm afriad i don't classify the sticker song as left wing but do think it's a pro zionist song.
They do lessons in this song intrestingly in isreal and challenge it's assumptions of Jewish/Islreali sterotypes and why they are distorted.
More over you have to look at the significance of the solganering/bmper stickers which comes with the territory within isreal and what imputus and impact it has.
invisibleplanet
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I don't know. Maybe the bumper sticker "'Kama roa efshar livloa'' ('How much evil can we swallow?)' is from www.anonymous.org.il/english.htm, maybe the sticker is from another group. I don't know. There are quite alot of animal-rights groups in Israel. Pick one.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Depends what you mean by "strong".
They're certainly loud, and quite often shrill, but they're (and we're talking about the London-centric Board of Deputies of British Jews, and the "Sephardic mafia" here
) not too representative of mainstream Jewish opinion in Britain, as is made obvious every time the Jewish "establishment" makes a pronouncement on behalf of us all.Again, it depends. Usually on whether you're left or right, non-Zionist or Zionist.I don't do holocaust day, I do remembrance day. I thought we all did, it was the same war. I thought we all did the same day.
The holocaust wasn't only against Jews, is there a reach-out element?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Is the poster implying that?
Speak for yourself, but don't even think of speaking for me, thanks all the same.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Lovely, the obvious reaction would be 'Fuck off yourself you nasty little anti-semite' but I'm too polite to say it
Garf's about as anti-Semitic as a bagel.
Still, if your self-righteousness gives you a warm glow...
Thank you for your apology, it is appreciated.
However, what you are still missing is why would a famously left leaning author, and a left leaning band that is mad into hip-hop and which jams with/ performs with Arabic musicians, be shouting left and right wing political slogans in a song? In politically polarised Israel Garf? Where 'Dor Shalom' have been sent to war? Come on!
and btw "Kama roa rfshar livloa" is from an animal rights movement that was formed to pressurise the government into abolishing force feeding of animals for meat in Israel. They succeeded.
You arent the first person to be confused by the lyrics- even their fans were like 'WTF... this isnt like them.' However they asked questions and got answers.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Although I don't agree with JHE's views on Islam this disgusting attack is not a subject that shoudl be ignored nor should the news of this event be repressed on the grounds of 'community relations'. Much better to get it out in the open and try to find a solution to the problems.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
equally without all the facts it shouldn't be dressed up as something it wasn't.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Agree. It is still a disgusting act though even though there may well be a mixture of antisemitism and general lawlessness at the heart of the problem.
so you have knowledge that it wasn't a racist attack?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Surely the whole point is that we don't KNOW the motivations, so it's ridiculous to make assumptions, to second-guess the stone-throwing halfwits?
I'm not familiar with the background so I can't comment on it, but in general it it is very premature to cry "racism" if it isn't clear who the perpetrators were and what their intentions were. I can hardly imagine that disenfranchised youngsters of no matter which background have a clue about what a group of strangers they target are exactly doing at the place they chose for a visit.
But everyting is possible, of course. How many were they? If it was a large group, it might have been "organised".
salaam.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
That is very good advice however in this situation the walk was publicised as a HMD event from what I can gather and the mob was of one ethnic group. I agree that it could be mischief making however from considering what has been said before I'd say its 70% antisemitism and 30% general arseholeness.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
He's been spouting anti-muslim shite on here for years. I don't think many people take him too seriously.
salaam.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
That is what bothers me as well. There is a special situation in TH as the Swaps / Respect (who although not a mass movement are fucking loud in comparison to their size and some are in influential positions) have courted conservative Islam and conservative community leaders and this is partially why those SWP leaning posters on here have tried to say 'oh no its not an antisemitic incident its bored youth/poverty etc. I'm not saying that those factors shouldn't be taken on board but you shoudln't ignore the stoking up of antisemitic feelings that have gone on recently in certain communities.
(I'm not criticising the muslim community per se or on their own as I've met plenty of white antisemites as well)
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
But isn't part of the issue also the recent changes to legislation, so that if the people on the receiving end of this attack percieve the attack as rascist, then the police are obliged to investigate the incident on that basis i.e. a racial attack. And at least one of the people hit by a stone said that was her opinion.
HMD = ? and publicised where or how?
It would have been necessary for those who did this to have access to such annoucements and be interested in having access to it in the first place. (If one ethnicy is over represented in a neighbourhood, most likely they are over-represented among its somewhat weird youth groupings too. Is it "ethnicy = religion" overthere? )
salaam.
It would have been necessary for those who did this to have access to such annoucements and be interested in having access to it in the first place. (If one ethnicy is over represented in a neighbourhood, most likely they are over-represented among its somewhat weird youth groupings too. Is it "ethnicy = religion" overthere? )
salaam.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
HMD=Holocaust Memorial Day.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Just google it you'll find loads of references. Its publicised quite widely in the Jewish press and the secualr press including local papers publicises HMD events as well.
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