Jews stoned in East End (again)
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There were Nazis?
Or are you playing the idiot's game of conflating Nazis with racists and/or fascists? I thought it was only Trots that were foolish enough to do that.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
That was exactly the correct thing for a police officer to say. He was referring to the definition of a racial incident - "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person." No call for sensitivity here.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Disgusting racist thugs. Obviously motivated to have a go because it was Holocaust Day. Charming. There isn't a context that makes it OK.
On the clumsy comment about it being treated as a racist incident because the victims perceived it as racist, to be fair that was probably said in reply to a direct question like "why is it being treated as a racist incident?" Journos do that all the time, then don't bother reporting the question, only the reply. It was also factually correct in law.
(Case in point: A bloke was rescued by mountain rescuers today, and in the first live report one of the rescue team was asked by the radio journo "Would you say the climber was resourceful and level headed?" The rescue guy said yes, he supposed so. Later bulletins led with: "Rescuers described the climber as resourceful and level headed").
On the clumsy comment about it being treated as a racist incident because the victims perceived it as racist, to be fair that was probably said in reply to a direct question like "why is it being treated as a racist incident?" Journos do that all the time, then don't bother reporting the question, only the reply. It was also factually correct in law.
(Case in point: A bloke was rescued by mountain rescuers today, and in the first live report one of the rescue team was asked by the radio journo "Would you say the climber was resourceful and level headed?" The rescue guy said yes, he supposed so. Later bulletins led with: "Rescuers described the climber as resourceful and level headed").
Thanks
(and thats for everyone else who informed me too!) but if you didnt know that, it could read like- 'We (the police) dont necessarily see the incident as racist, but because they (the Jews/ the outsiders/ the victims) are making a big deal about it, we have to be seen to be doing something.' Its such a blatantly a racist attack, it would have been better for the police to acknowledge that straight out, and not say 'we're treating it as a racist incident just because the Jews think it is.'
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I think, to be fair, it is clumsy reporting, rather than a crass quote.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
From the report, these were American tourists "doing" the East End of London.
you are clearly right. It would have been a weird place to finish a speech/ interview.This whole thing has really messed with my own impression of what London is. Its feeding into a (mis)conception that Jewish folk arent safe on the streets here.
Add it to the Stamford Hill attacks last year (?) and people start to worry, and not just people here in the London/UK.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I may want to use that quote in future, if context isn't an issue for you.
I agree with much of what treelover says, but I think you're right here. This has nothing to do with "the left", SWP or otherwise.
Jewish Lobby? Be more explicit about the point you are making.
Is this story is only a story because there is some shadowy, very rich and no doubt very influential group of people pushing it?
Its partly because of this sort of thing, that Jews have a seperate Yom Hashoah.I don't do holocaust day, I do remembrance day. I thought we all did, it was the same war. I thought we all did the same day.
The holocaust wasn't only against Jews, is there a reach-out element?
Have your own commerations and your own (deliberate?) misconceptions of what the Holocaust means. Jews wont have to deal with it.
They are referred to as Asian youths in the Article quoted in the OP.
Cllr Ann Jackson of Tower Hamlets council refers to the "narrow religious views of some in the Bangladeshi community."
The incident took place in Whitechapel.
Though if you want to reason that it coud have been a laughing gang of Hindu/ Zoroastrian/ Buddhist agitators launching rocks, go ahead.
This thread is becoming more illuminating by the hour.
Cllr Ann Jackson of Tower Hamlets council refers to the "narrow religious views of some in the Bangladeshi community."
The incident took place in Whitechapel.
Though if you want to reason that it coud have been a laughing gang of Hindu/ Zoroastrian/ Buddhist agitators launching rocks, go ahead.
This thread is becoming more illuminating by the hour.
JHE
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Don't forget the weirdo Occultist Pagans.
cockneyrebel
New Member
You're obsessed. The far left, by your own admission, is totally irrelevant and yet you still feel the need to comment on them in loads of threads. Why do you give a fuck what the far left do or don't do? The far left is so irrelevant that it's not like holds back any other alternative being built. It's kinda ironic that those who say the far left are irrelevant are the same people that bang on about them.
JHE
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The attack was carried out by cunning Jews, disguised as Bengalis. They did it in order to demonise Muslim youth.
@CR
Maybe so, but if Respect which i do believe have an 'left wing' MP in the area condemned the attack unequivically, (though I wouldn't expect them to have a march which would certainly happen if it had been middle aged asians who were attacked) then people in the wider community might begin to take them more seriously. Remember this was Whitechapel, near the site of the Battle of Cable St, where various anarchists, marxists, etc have plied their trade for over 100 years.
Maybe so, but if Respect which i do believe have an 'left wing' MP in the area condemned the attack unequivically, (though I wouldn't expect them to have a march which would certainly happen if it had been middle aged asians who were attacked) then people in the wider community might begin to take them more seriously. Remember this was Whitechapel, near the site of the Battle of Cable St, where various anarchists, marxists, etc have plied their trade for over 100 years.
I would smile,
)) but Im appalled at the deliberate underplaying of this incident on this thread. It is properly disconcerting and is making me feel uneasy.What other crimes are people willing to excuse and 'give a bit of context to, like,' just because the victims are Jewish?
Or is it because the perpetrators are likely to be Muslim?
Its just kids messing about after all?
What am I missing here? Help me understand.
Its really sad that when a group of innocent people get stoned by anti-social yobs the media immediately jump on the Anti-Semitism bandwagon 
No other religious group is afforded similar privileges The reality of bored disenfrachised young men having a pop at what appears to be over dressed American tourists becomes a moot point when some political mileage can be gained from the incident.
No other religious group is afforded similar privileges The reality of bored disenfrachised young men having a pop at what appears to be over dressed American tourists becomes a moot point when some political mileage can be gained from the incident.That suffering is universal, we should neither overplay or underplay the suffering of any given group of people.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Who gives a monkey's what Respect or the SWP condemn?
No, wait, I know the answer to that one.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
You'll need to forgive me, but I have only visited London on a handful of occasions, and I didn't learn the constituency map. I take it this incident happened in George Galloway's constituency?
That is sickening. I'd not heard about it before.
newbie
undisambiguated
Its really sad that when a group of innocent people get stoned by anti-social yobs the media immediately jump on the Anti-Semitism bandwagon
I'd find that slightly more convincing if there was any evidence that other groups of tourists had been attacked- Jack the Ripper walks or similar spring to mind.
btw nor me Mallard and it's very shocking.
Perhaps I'm over sensitive but it is a shocker tbh and it seems to me that anti-semitism is brushed off or excused too often.
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