Sorry it is fucking terrible, but it doesn't surprise me after some of the shit that my girlfriend had spat at her by young Asian guys in Whitechapel.
Take your koran and shove it up your arse.
Jews stoned in East End (again)
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Sorry it is fucking terrible, but it doesn't surprise me after some of the shit that my girlfriend had spat at her by young Asian guys in Whitechapel.
Take your koran and shove it up your arse.Sorry it is fucking terrible, but it doesn't surprise me after some of the shit that my girlfriend had spat at her by young Asian guys in Whitechapel.
Sorry to hear that Poi and indeed.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
sorry but firstly what the fuck do you know of the area i'd say it's more likely that this entirely wasn't designed as an anti semetic attack but was the local youths with bugger all to do taking it out as they have been for fucking years round that area on people they viewed as outsiders.
I think it's a shameless tactic to try and paint this as anti sematism. Why would this be done? if the stone throwers had been white do you think there would have been the tag anti sematism or is that only reserved for out asian nationals to have to define their actions as twatish or racist. Nice little neat boxes and the police comment to we have to treat is as rasim becuase of the perception of the victims... good then investigative action all taken out the window then we'll just side with the people who claim it's happen by default... I do hope that this new police policy of foregoing investigation and merely taking the general pulbics word for it will be taken foreward i know of a war criminal called tony whos guilty you just have to look at him...
and finally since when and i mean this most whole heartedly did the left or urabn become one entity which was a voice piece or mouth piece for consensious radical politics it's a fucking bulltin board you childhood revolutionary.
nothing more.
if you want left wing action go and take some this is why I dispise people like you. you assume things are wrong knowing no back stroy or outside information leap in demanding things be done so that your sensiblities are no longer offended.
you want action get off your flabby arse and go take action...
personally though i think this is a case of a storm in a teacup the kids round there aren't terribly pleasent at the best of times I'd goes so far as to say they are pretty much the most nonracist group you'll meet they cause everyone hell, indiscriminately...
and one also wonders if you find what you go looking for in these situations.
You have a jewish group being told and condititioned emotional about the east end and about the holocaust. Thsi group already emoptional from what was likely to be at the very least thought provoking stuff if not more. are then whilst being told about anti sematism and the treatment of the Jews are then set upon by a group of youths throwing stones, their perception isn't going to be coloured by the nature of the event they are attending?
but hey it allows us to stoke further islamaphobia and youthaphobia and that the police do nothing about youth crime shocka news story too boot...
hooray!!!
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
I must admit that i do think that treelover has a point, insofar as the sitting MP should publicly decry the idiots who lobbed the stones and point out the historical context as to why the incident could cause extreme offence. Because it is unacceptable to see something like this taking place.
Having said that, it does sadden me to see idiots on here talking about muslim nutjob youth as well. The boys were of Asian origin, that is all that is known for sure. Wrapping up one set of prejudicial attitudes in another doesn't really help anyone imo.
Spion
I hear ya
We're missing any actual evidence that this was an anti-semitic incident.I would smile,)) but Im appalled at the deliberate underplaying of this incident on this thread. It is properly disconcerting and is making me feel uneasy.
What other crimes are people willing to excuse and 'give a bit of context to, like,' just because the victims are Jewish?
Or is it because the perpetrators are likely to be Muslim?
Its just kids messing about after all?
What am I missing here? Help me understand.
It was obviously anti-social and quite probably racial in the broadest sense, but on the basis of the fragment of 'news' posted we've no idea there was any intent based on last Sunday being holocaust day
With this thread tho, JHE's work here is done.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I take your point, but they have largely brought it on themselves. Of all the left groups, I don't think I've ever known any quite so (understandably) ridiculed as they are.
Gavin Bl
terrible awful baaad
Sadly, I have to agree.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I've been hearing from people who I trust about a rise in antisemitic attitudes and actions in Tower Hamlets since the rise of Respect. One friend says that he feels less safe since Galloway got elected which knowing of Galloways connections with dodgy Islamist groupings and the allegations of political violence that have come out of Tower Hamlets I can well believe.
To be honest although Dagenham has a load of fash councillors the situation in TH has the potential to be much worse.
It looks like all my dire predictions about the dangers of having parties based on the grounds of race and religion are coming true sadly.
To be honest although Dagenham has a load of fash councillors the situation in TH has the potential to be much worse.
It looks like all my dire predictions about the dangers of having parties based on the grounds of race and religion are coming true sadly.
newbie
undisambiguated
I don't know the area in intimate detail, have Jack the Ripper walks been attacked?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
oh do fuck off.
this was kids being twats not the nazis building gas chambers...
On a slightly less reactionary note, i think Judeophobia (the correct term for hatred of Jews; semites being many different tribes and therefore could not be monoploisitically held on to as a single defining identy for one tribes sole useage) isn't on the rise it's that people are finding that the behaviour of some sections of society in general to be unaccepable. I think that this will encompass a number of faith based groups the catholics non abortion stance, the muslims radicalised sections, baihai for being mad, opus magnum or wha ever it's called for being more mad etc etc etc
but there is an exclusivity of suffering a hireachy in place which says all these intollerent folk stories it's fine to dislike to rib to take the piss out of indeed theres incadesent rage if a cartoon of mohammed is shown both from muslims who say hey this is offensive and you lot are taking the piss and non muslims saying how dre they come to this coutnry and think they may do as they want (like the natives do)...
why is it that all other incidents are classed as nothing short of violence.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
If this country ever gets a written constitution, I hope this is specifially prohibited in it.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
name names whose they care to name which urbanites are members of the non approve poster poltical parties.
youre not the first idealistic teenage revolutionary to come to these boards then decry them for not being your own people blog of the revolution. you prolly sadly won't be the last.
Lovely, the obvious reaction would be 'Fuck off yourself you nasty little anti-semite' but I'm too polite to say it
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
not that i have heard of however it's anicdotal innit...
moreover i resent the implication that the group was muslim becuase the parties attacked were jewish.... what kind of racism is at work in that sentiment (i'm aware you're not saying that but the impression beign given by some on the thread is that they are preparred to accept this as anti sematism because the jews were attacked by asisains who must therefore be muslim... you see the racism at work i'm sure)
Spion
I hear ya
It's a JHE thread innit. That's the idea
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
Lovely, the obvious reaction would be 'Fuck off yourself you nasty little anti-semite' but I'm too polite to say it
and too far wrong....
however, are you attempting to portray me as having a pathological hatred of Jews Arabs and other semitic groups or could you narrow your unfocased accusations down to a specific group. with which to them be proved wrong.
as i said anti semitism would be against all semitic tribes not just the Jews. period.
and so good of you to fling around the accusation with such gay abandone
too you must be a joy to behold...
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
I've seen them being harassed on occasion. Bored youth see large group of visitors and liven up their dull lives by annoying said large group. To portray such an incident as obviously racially-based does no-one any good. The fact of the matter is that the Bangla population are a large proportion of the overall population in Tower Hamlets now, thus youth population reflects the larger demographic.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
yup i'm gettig a little tired of the look nigger lynch em threads
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Well, firstly I simply didn't see it, on the grounds that I only visit this forum about once a week, on the grounds that it is so slow moving.
Secondly, I don't get your point (in the context of your earlier posts too). Are you aligning me with the SWP? I'm actually dead centre economically speaking and incredibly libertarian on the "freedoms" scale. Which places me a long, long way from the SWP politically, seeing as how they are extreme left-wing economically and very authoritarian on the "freedoms" scale.
What do you want me to say? I condemn utterly any fucker that ever throws a stone at anybody else. Where there is also the extra aggravating factor of it including race hatred it becomes so far beyond the pale that I can do nothing but despise the individuals involved. This goes whether it involves whites, blacks, Jews, Asians or any other ethnic group.
No, you won't find me marching about it but then you'll never have found me marching about anything else either. I find that such shows rarely have much impact. I prefer to influence things more insidiously, via financial support for campaigning organisations and direct contact with people that are actual decision-makers. I believe that this is a far more effective -- if less immediately satisfying -- way of bringing about change.
newbie
undisambiguated
I see two separate racism issues at work here.
Firstly whether this group of people were attacked because of the nature of their walk and the very specific date.
Secondly the presumptions being made about the identity of the attackers.
Personally I'm enquiring into the first, and until someone is actually able to show that the very regular Jack the Ripper walks are similarly targeted, it seems to me that the presumption should be that this was indeed an attack motivated by the very specific nature of the event.
For those that don't know the area, this map outlines the JtR walks. Underwood Road, where the attack took place is just at the left end of the boxed word 'Map' at the top right.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Oh, please! Pull the other one - it's got bells on it!
I'm afraid your pedantry and semanitics seem to be an attempt to obscure what has happened. Would you be arguing in this manner if it were another ethnic group Garfield? Somehow I doubt it. Starting your pedantic ramble by inviting me to 'Fuck off' is something I find offensive.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Well -- at the very least I know that they would like to think that they are extreme left wing. I don't know enough about their actual policies to judge for myself. The moment anybody aligns themselves with Marxism, I tend to assume that they know what that means. Since I also know what that means and since it is a philosophy that I fundamentally disagree with, I don't see any need to find out the fine detail.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
incidently what's your agenda here?
Kama roa, efshar livloa?
How much evil can we swallow?
why not try these other delightful accompanments too...
"A strong people makes peace" "No Arabs, no terror" and "Long live the king Messiah."
got your number...
Spion
I hear ya
How could anyone obscure what happened? All we know is some people had stones thrown at them on holocaust day. We don't know why they had stones thrown at them, and to assert that 'muslim lads threw stones at people because they were on a holocaust day tour' is quite wrong. And very dangerous too
More pedantry and semantics here. I meant the issue/implication/context as you well know. I have never said 'muslim lads threw stones at people because they were on a holocaust day tour'. Please avoid attributing comments never made. Leaping to the defence of those who attack an ethnic group that it's less right on to defend is equally dangerous particuarly in the context of the appearance of Jew haters at events organised by authoritarian pseudo left groups in the last few years.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Isn't the East London Advertiser in the same stable of titles as the South London Stabber?
Spion
I hear ya
I wasn't attributing any comment to you. I didn't read you exchange with Garfield. I simply picked up on your comment about obscuring the issue and assumed it was the substantive issue of the thread, for which there is no evidence that the stone throwing was anti-jewish. I'm not defending anyone, just stating what is known and what is not here.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Some people on here seem to have missed this bit of the article:
"youths shouted at the tourists, 'if you go any further you'll die.'"
That doesn't sound like youthful hi-jinks to me.
But why don't you all wait until it's been investigated properly, rather than arguing about things you don't have the facts to support?
"youths shouted at the tourists, 'if you go any further you'll die.'"
That doesn't sound like youthful hi-jinks to me.
But why don't you all wait until it's been investigated properly, rather than arguing about things you don't have the facts to support?
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