Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[two sheds]

So terrible at politics he continues to be reelected as a local MP for how long now?... and has personally weathered the most vitriolic, clearly personal, absurd and disturbing smear campaign i've seen in my lifetime...HE HAS BEEN WRONGED and has every right to speak out about that given the 'dignified silence' he maintained over the last years of daily vicious nonsense. He didn't contradict the report... sod you if you hate the idea of him so much you can't admit that.

This is the post Rutita1 posted immediately before the one in question. It's solely about Corbyn.

 

[bimble]

I'm not in the mood for a fight with Rutita1 or anyone else but if you can't see why I made a thing about questioning that particular little outburst, and are happy with the explanation that its anti corbyn people who expect 'exceptionalism' I just find that depressing tbh.

 

[Treacle Toes]

This is the post Rutita1 posted immediately before the one in question. It's solely about Corbyn.

So what? I was responding to a post about him. That doesn't mean I see what's been happening as solely about him. Even if the media discussion has tried to reduce it to only being about him as if he's some wizard that once we're shot of things will magically be okay again.
Cult of Corbyn
Corbynism
Corbynites
etc.

 

[two sheds]

Yes, Corbyn, those that support him, socialism, what the Labour left stands for as I have said above. That's what I said.

Indeed, that's why I posted it - it seemed to clarify.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I'm not in the mood for a fight with Rutita1 or anyone else but if you can't see why I made a thing about questioning that particular little outburst, and are happy with the explanation that its anti corbyn people who expect 'exceptionalism' I just find that depressing tbh.

If you aren't in the mood for a fight stop referring to my post as a 'little outburst' it fucking condescending and positions you as an authority on what I can and can't post. You aren't.

You asked for an explanation and now you have one. I can see that you had already decided what you thought I meant, not much I can do about that.

 

[bimble]

You can post whatever you like. Me too. Great isn’t it.

 

[Shechemite]

Hope maybe for recovery from corbynism?

Jeremy Corbyn supporter spared jail after sending antisemitic abuse and threats to Labour MPs

The magistrate said that some of the language sent was so vile he would not repeat it in court.

news.sky.com

“I see you are now seeking the assistance of a psychiatrist and dealing with issues you say were a feature of your life then."

 

[ska invita]

James Butler has written a long piece in the latest LRB which is well worth a read - a fairly clear-sighted look at the failings (and successes) of the Corbyn project. Make some time for it.

James Butler · Failed Vocation: The Corbyn Project

It is an intellectual vice on the left to think that because the world is best understood in terms of the operation of...

www.lrb.co.uk

Bits that were of particular interest to me:

1.

Though Corbyn apparently bridled at McDonnell’s often repeated suggestion that he stood for the leadership simply because it was ‘his turn’, his first words to one confidant after squeezing onto the ballot were: ‘You better make fucking sure I don’t get elected.’ Perhaps the surprise rush of popular support made him warm to the role. But the ambivalence never went away, and with it came intransigence, obstinacy and an aversion to making decisions, especially difficult decisions involving confrontation – which means nearly all leadership decisions.

Corbyn was incredibly strong in taking flack, but he lacked proactive muscle - he was too passive - this quote gives that some context
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2.

Milne dismissed those concerned with Brexit as engaged in an unserious ‘culture war’.

Woops. Massive error there.
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This bit is crucial
3.

In the wake of Labour’s defeat a year ago, some fantasised – with the benefit of hindsight – about what might have been if Corbyn had handed over the reins after 2017. Yet there were few plausible successors on the party’s left.
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Corbyn recognised the problem, as did younger MPs on the left such as Lewis. The obvious solution was to reform the party machinery to enable an infusion of new parliamentary candidates. It might seem odd that a leadership which had just defied all predictions and enjoyed an electoral surge should devote itself to party reform.
...
Democratising the party and empowering its members would – so the logic ran – produce inspiring candidates of the left, ending the factional horse-trading that encourages the selection of mediocre MPs. It would also bring the membership closer to the communities it nominally represents. By these means, reform would guarantee the power of the left in the party even after Corbyn.
... This was the thinking that informed the Democracy Review undertaken by Corbyn’s political secretary, Katy Clark, a former MP; it also inspired the drive in 2018, heavily promoted by Momentum, to introduce ‘open selection’ for MPs, making it easier to challenge incumbents. (MPs on the party’s right were eager to paint this as bullying, but this level of accountability already applies to Labour councillors, and is established in the SNP, Liberal Democrats and Greens. Few would claim it has transformed Labour councils into mini-Soviets.) Neither book remarks on the centripetal force Westminster exerts on grassroots organisations in the Labour Party; founded with grand ambitions to build a social movement, Momentum was often reduced to playing the role of factional battering ram, mobilising its huge email list to vote for its slate in internal elections and doing little else. It wasn’t enough: Clark’s review and the open selection motion were gutted at the 2018 conference.

This is probably the moment the project failed
Corbyn shouldnt have run in 2019, originally he wasn't even expected to run having won the leadership, and the failure to create a successor, or more importantly the structure to create successors leaves us where we are now. In an SUV driven car crash.

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[two sheds]

I'm not in the mood for a fight with Rutita1 or anyone else but if you can't see why I made a thing about questioning that particular little outburst, and are happy with the explanation that its anti corbyn people who expect 'exceptionalism' I just find that depressing tbh.

I can see why you questioned it. I can see what Rutita1 meant by her post - Corbyn is being held to a different standard to anybody else. The main reason the right of the party have jumped on him is because he moved the party leftwards. Many people defending Corbyn are I believe defending that movement of the party leftwards.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Indeed, that's why I posted it - it seemed to clarify.

Fair enough.

I feel it's a dynamic that runs right the way through the contempt that the 'Right' in general has towards the Left. There is a do as I say and not as I do or differently approach. The arrogance that we don't know our own minds, that we should know our place, not try and challenge or change things, and when the real damage done is highlighted, it's a case of well you only have yourselves to blame, do better, be exceptional, superfuckinghuman.

 

[two sheds]

Bits that were of particular interest to me:

1.

Corbyn was incredibly strong in taking flack, but he lacked proactive muscle - he was too passive - this quote gives that some context
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2.


Woops. Massive error there.
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This bit is crucial
3.

This is probably the moment the project failed
Corbyn shouldnt have run in 2019, originally he wasn't even expected to run having won the leadership, and the failure to create a successor, or more importantly the structure to create successors leaves us where we are now. In an SUV driven car crash.

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Interesting, ta.

Although it was Brexit that fucked the party vote, it was a mistake adding more and more policies towards the election. Although I think they were actually good ideas it looked like the party was just promising stuff with no chance of carrying it out.

 

[bimble]

I can see what Rutita1 meant by her post - Corbyn is being held to a different standard to anybody else.

Nice save! Thats what she meant by the exceptionalism bit. very good.

 

[two sheds]

I don't think she's an anti-semite, no.

 

[killer b]

Interesting, ta.

Although it was Brexit that fucked the party vote, it was a mistake adding more and more policies towards the election. Although I think they were actually good ideas it looked like the party was just promising stuff with no chance of carrying it out.

have you read the piece? he argues it was all done by then anyway, the desperate conveyor belt of policies was just flailing

 

[two sheds]

have you read the piece? he argues it was all done by then anyway, the desperate conveyor belt of policies was just flailing

yes I read it, not sure why my post contradicts that though.

 

[killer b]

well, because if they were already done by then the policy conveyor belt wasn't a mistake, because there wasn't anything they could do to turn it around.

 

[two sheds]

fair play, but brexit was surely what fucked the vote as I said, and the conveyor belt didn't help on top of that.

Would have open selection have made much difference to the election result? I'd have thought it would have been presented in the media as a Stalin-type takeover of the party. It would admittedly have made a lot of difference to Corbyn getting through the policies he wanted to.

 

[killer b]

Would have open selection have made much difference to the election result?

that was a different prong of the project really - democratising the party was a long-term goal rather than an election-focused one

 

[two sheds]

that was a different prong of the project really - democratising the party was a long-term goal rather than an election-focused one

and hopefully would have led to MPs who more closely reflected the concerns of their constituents/voters.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Would have open selection have made much difference to the election result? I'd have thought it would have been presented in the media as a Stalin-type takeover of the party. It would admittedly have made a lot of difference to Corbyn getting through the policies he wanted to.

Only if you think moving the party further to the left would result in success.

 

[two sheds]

True enough - dice stacked against them but the basic policies themselves were actually popular weren't they? Full employment, invest in NHS, take rail and bus back into public ownership, build council houses, ...

 

[Gramsci]

My local Council - Lambeth - has been run on Stalinist lines by the Progress wing of the party for years.

Other than local press the way the right functions at grass roots level is not a media concern.

If anything Corbyn was not ruthless enough.

My popular local Cllr was hounded out by the Progress wing of the party when she started to break with New Labour and reflect the concerns of her constituents.

Rather than promote the right wing policies of the Progress run Council.

Still going on now.

Looking at my local Labour Cllrs twitter and they love Starmer.

I do think for some of them Corbyn was a wake up call. Unless they change their consituents may start to desert them or not vote at all. So some moves recently to support anti gentrification campaigns. Which Progress would not normally support. There mantra being mixed and sustainable communities made by Council working in partnership with inward investors/developers rather than against them.

I do think there might be some cracks in the right of the party.

Others simply want to erase Corbyn and what he represented from Labour party. Which in my area was wanting Cllrs who reflected concerns of the voters. Not even that hard left. Just Cllrs who support Council housing, libraries etc. Public services rather than the market. Also Cllrs who listen to local people.

Corbyn led party did not lose any seats in last election in my area. Something the Progress led Labour group in Lambeth choose to brush under the carpet.

 

[killer b]

oh.

EHRC board member under scrutiny over social media use

Alasdair Henderson liked post describing words misogynist and homophobe as ‘highly ideological propaganda terms’

www.theguardian.com

 

[cantsin]

oh.

EHRC board member under scrutiny over social media use

Alasdair Henderson liked post describing words misogynist and homophobe as ‘highly ideological propaganda terms’

www.theguardian.com

absolute f*cking joke, all of this

 

[killer b]

I don't think this new development has any bearing on the content of the report FWIW, but it's also not at all unexpected. It's the inevitable result of a politics where everything someone has done on the internet is recorded forever and searchable by people who want to damage you.

 

[belboid]

oh.

EHRC board member under scrutiny over social media use

Alasdair Henderson liked post describing words misogynist and homophobe as ‘highly ideological propaganda terms’

www.theguardian.com

A man who stood for the Whig Party is a reactionary young buffoon? I am shocked

Alasdair Henderson - Bethnal Green and Bow - Whig Party

The Whigs are the oldest and newest political party in Britain. Everyone’s a little bit Whiggish. Originally founded in 1678, the Whigs had a profound influence in creating the democratic, free and diverse United Kingdom we live in today. I first heard about the Whigs in school history lessons...

whigs.uk

 

[cantsin]

I don't think this new development has any bearing on the content of the report FWIW, but it's also not at all unexpected. It's the inevitable result of a politics where everything someone has done on the internet is recorded forever and searchable by people who want to damage you.

the politics of of the man who heads up the body that makes the report, has no bearing on the content (+ politics) of the report ? How ?

 

[killer b]

Because the report's findings are broadly correct. I expect there's a broad range of political view among the board members of the EHRC (which Alasdair Henderson doesn't 'head up') - one of them being a right-wing git isn't at all surprising.

 

[belboid]

He did lead this investigation, which (according to various discrimination lawyers) skipped over half the law on harassment.

 

[killer b]

lol ok. I guess there was no problem then. Thank god they've unmasked this fiend.