Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Proper Tidy]

I would point out that between us we made just short of 100 years of tax and NI contributions.

Imagine having a mind that sees this as a notable quality. Put it on the headstone. Son, father, grandfather, taxpayer.

 

[Pickman's model]

And whose fault is that?

If you remember what I posted up thread you already know the answer to that

 

[butchersapron]

Blair is an extremist

Do you honestly not recall how he precipitated massacres in Kosovo? How he was happy to starve children in Iraq?

He has the blood of a million dead across iraq and syria. He won elections to do that. The nice chap.

 

[butchersapron]

Imagine having a mind that sees this as a notable quality. Put it on the headstone. Son, father, grandfather, taxpayer.

Son, father, grandfather, taxpayer. Cunt.

 

[xenon]

There's no doubt he needed to be steelier, more decisive, less bloody nice. AS was a fuck up and dismissed for far too long and by the time it wasn't it was being cynically weaponised. Generally the campaign this time wasn't focused, there was way too much policy with no clear message.

I'm a little suspicious of the rush to make it all on Corbyn because it feels like many of the people keenest to demonise Corbyn are keenest to get back to the kind of "centre-left", "sensible", Rejoin EU, non-class politics that I think will consign Labour to ever greater oblivion. And I'm not assuming anyone here is doing that, but there's plenty of people generally doing precisely that.

Yep very much so. The airwaves are repleat with people calling Corbyn a Marxist still, lefty sect captured the real Labour party, extreme leftwing manifesto. I take the points raised in reply to my question about this on the other thread, that the party has been largely purged of Blairites, that aspect is dead etc. The zombies are on the march though.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

There's no doubt he needed to be steelier, more decisive, less bloody nice. AS was a fuck up and dismissed for far too long and by the time it wasn't it was being cynically weaponised. Generally the campaign this time wasn't focused, there was way too much policy with no clear message.

I'm a little suspicious of the rush to make it all on Corbyn because it feels like many of the people keenest to demonise Corbyn are keenest to get back to the kind of "centre-left", "sensible", Rejoin EU, non-class politics that I think will consign Labour to ever greater oblivion. And I'm not assuming anyone here is doing that, but there's plenty of people generally doing precisely that.

Definitely. I've never thought he was a great leader but I think given the situation in the Labour party it was him or nothing as far as an even vaguely left wing Labour party went. And there's no way an 'electable' centrist would have come within a million miles of winning a general election.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yep very much so. The airwaves are repleat with people calling Corbyn a Marxist still, lefty sect captured the real Labour party, extreme leftwing manifesto. I take the points raised in reply to my question about this on the other thread, that the party has been largely purged of Blairites, that aspect is dead etc. The zombies are on the march though.

do you think purging the party of blairites shuts them up?

 

[xenon]

do you think purging the party of blairites shuts them up?

Evidently not. But is the LP going to pay them heed. I guess we'll see in the next couple of years.

 

[mauvais]

Imagine having a mind that sees this as a notable quality. Put it on the headstone. Son, father, grandfather, taxpayer.

I wonder if this epitaph would be in chronological order.

Son, father, grandfather, taxpayer. Cunt.

I suspect this epitaph would not.

 

[Plumdaff]

These are two blogs worth reading from the chair of Isle of Wight CLP

Why we lost

Why we didn't win

 

[butchersapron]

These are two blogs worth reading from the chair of Isle of Wight CLP

Why we lost

Why we didn't win

Two good thoughtful pieces. Ta.

 

[WouldBe]

If you remember what I posted up thread you already know the answer to that

You claim it isn't corbyn's fault so who was it that was manipulating him like a Muppet?

 

[Pickman's model]

You claim it isn't corbyn's fault so who was it that was manipulating him like a Muppet?

Go back and read because there's no point your posting shit like this which shows you haven't read what I've said

 

[Marty1]

Jack Straw hits out at momentum calling them a cult.

Jack Straw told LBC he was concerned how members of the Labour Party were defending the unpopular leadership of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell.

The Labour veteran criticised campaign group Momentum and the Unite union boss Len McCluskey for their support of Mr Corbyn.

Former Home Secretary Jack Straw hits out at "cult" takeover of Labour - LBC

 

[Pickman's model]

Jack Straw hits out at momentum calling them a cult.



Former Home Secretary Jack Straw hits out at "cult" takeover of Labour - LBC

He's on the ball as ever

 

[WouldBe]

Go back and read because there's no point your posting shit like this which shows you haven't read what I've said

Which post? There's so much arse kissing on here it's difficult to know which one you're referring to.

 

[Pickman's model]

Which post? There's so much arse kissing on here it's difficult to know which one you're referring to.

it'd be a start if you read posts you reply to so you don't look like a stupid muppet

 

[Sue]

From a personal point of view, I'm pretty much bulletproof.

We're retired, so no jobs to lose, more than sufficient income (we are actually saving money), we live in a pleasant enough place with good air quality. All in all, fine.

I would point out that between us we made just short of 100 years of tax and NI contributions. What we have, we worked for.

Changes no doubt will be coming, they have to. I'm not naive, but do hope that the promises of increased spending on housing and the NHS are honoured. Housing is the biggest crisis at the moment. If Johnson delivers, particularly in the North, Labour will be fucked again at the next election. If he doesn't, well, that will depend on who is elected as the next labour leader. I see that the deranged McDonnell has stood down, a pity he hadn't done so before scaring the shit out of so many voters.

And those who aren't as 'bulletproof' as you are? Fuck 'em?

 

[Ax^]

From a personal point of view, I'm pretty much bulletproof.

We're retired, so no jobs to lose, more than sufficient income (we are actually saving money), we live in a pleasant enough place with good air quality. All in all, fine.

I would point out that between us we made just short of 100 years of tax and NI contributions. What we have, we worked for.

Changes no doubt will be coming, they have to. I'm not naive, but do hope that the promises of increased spending on housing and the NHS are honoured. Housing is the biggest crisis at the moment. If Johnson delivers, particularly in the North, Labour will be fucked again at the next election. If he doesn't, well, that will depend on who is elected as the next labour leader. I see that the deranged McDonnell has stood down, a pity he hadn't done so before scaring the shit out of so many voters.

pray your health keeps up... or get private health insurance with your remaining money

even if you can feel secure in the fact that it won't effect you both

you be sharing squaid wards with the unfortunate who will lose everything

at least you can find comfort in the biggest win for you beloved tory party

 

[treelover]

There's no doubt he needed to be steelier, more decisive, less bloody nice. AS was a fuck up and dismissed for far too long and by the time it wasn't it was being cynically weaponised. Generally the campaign this time wasn't focused, there was way too much policy with no clear message.

I'm a little suspicious of the rush to make it all on Corbyn because it feels like many of the people keenest to demonise Corbyn are keenest to get back to the kind of "centre-left", "sensible", Rejoin EU, non-class politics that I think will consign Labour to ever greater oblivion. And I'm not assuming anyone here is doing that, but there's plenty of people generally doing precisely that.[/QUOTE

in one of the debates, the tory accused him of supporting terrorism, he didn't counter it, the personal stragey of not making it personal was, imo, a failure, Johnson and Co were/are, deeply flawed, but ruthless, he should have taken the gloves off. Sorry to hear John is leaving the shadow cabinet.

 

[treelover]

And we're supposed to accept in this instance the bbc isn't following the bias it displayed throughout the election campaign because...

Vox Pops...

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Fuck 'em?

brief but accurate summary of tory policy...

 

[treelover]

Corbyn knew he was done for as 2019 rolled on, shot to bits as he was from all sides, and was supposedly ready to stand aside. Rumours abounded. The fuck up was they couldn't find a good moment to do it. I guess events got in the way and they kept deferring it - hard to go into a new leadership campaign with everything else going on around Brexit, and the worry that the project/direction might swing in a different direction. But they shouldve, and this is the price.

indeed,

 

[treelover]

Yep very much so. The airwaves are repleat with people calling Corbyn a Marxist still, lefty sect captured the real Labour party, extreme leftwing manifesto. I take the points raised in reply to my question about this on the other thread, that the party has been largely purged of Blairites, that aspect is dead etc. The zombies are on the march though.

Tbf John Mc has called himself one.

 

[butchersapron]

Tbf John Mc has called himself one.

So has Michael Gove.

 

[brogdale]

And those who aren't as 'bulletproof' as you are? Fuck 'em?

It's one thing wearing the bulletproof vest, but quite another to be arming the fucker with the gun.

 

[brogdale]

These are two blogs worth reading from the chair of Isle of Wight CLP

Why we lost

Why we didn't win

Applause.

 

[butchersapron]

It's one thing wearing the bulletproof vest, but quite another to be arming the fucker with the gun.

You weren't here during his violent frenzy of urging the Israeli army to kill people on the Gaza Flotilla. If you were, you would know just how serious he is about arming the oppressor. Don't for a second believe any tears this sociopath cries for public consumption.

 

[treelover]

Jack Straw hits out at momentum calling them a cult.



Former Home Secretary Jack Straw hits out at "cult" takeover of Labour - LBC

Wasn't straw caught in a sting or something, disgraced, they are all coming back.

 

[butchersapron]

Wasn't straw caught in a sting or something, disgraced, they are all coming back.

Many many things, including letting Pinochet go. That said, a few comments to old contacts after a general election isn't 'coming back'. He and they are gone.