Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[butchersapron]

They gamble Euro refs and general elections but not VONCs?

If you were a Tory MP, what would you do now? Other than the usual. Can't get rid of May with an internal vote for nearly a year, she apparently won't quit of her own accord, and there's probably no more mileage in Maydeal so what is she for? It was fucked before and 230 is a lot of nails in that coffin.

'Not turn up' is one possibility. Try to win a GE with a new Brexit proposal is another, if unlikely. A sound basis in numbers doesn't seem to have troubled many of them of late.

I'd vote for may. As they just about all will.

Of course they may take small gambles on minor things - but not on being in power.

 

[killer b]

If you were a Tory MP, what would you do now?

Any tory MP no confidencing the govt tomorrow would not be standing as a tory MP in the ensuing election, or any other election.

 

[butchersapron]

You think a pro euro position is batshit when the majority of Labour voters agree and the last result was close? Ooookkayyyyyy.

Say how this would be carried out politically. Put some meat on these rather crappy bones.

 

[redsquirrel]

They will vote to back the government, absolutely. I doubt a single Tory MP won't vote against the VoNC motion.

 

[Supine]

Say how this would be carried out politically. Put some meat on these rather crappy bones.

I can only say how it would have played out as a strategy for the last two years tbh. I have NO idea what's going on now. Labour aren't positioned to do anything but wait for the tories to tear themselves apart. Now that's happened they hopefully have a cunning plan on how to benefit from it.

 

[killer b]

I can only say how it would have played out as a strategy for the last two years tbh.

no you can't.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Ken Clarke and a small smattering of others might.

I do think she'll limp on but wouldn't rule out losing, we're increasingly off the map here.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I can only say how it would have played out as a strategy for the last two years tbh.

That's a very bold claim...unless of course you mean that you can only speculate about how you would have liked it to turn out.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[FridgeMagnet]

You would have to have a significant number of Tories who’ve become so consumed with internal politics, and so self assured about their ability to win elections no matter what, that they didn’t think the latter was a potential issue at all. Possible at this stage - both have been observed - but not anywhere near likely IMO, particularly after the last result.

 

[butchersapron]

I can only say how it would have played out as a strategy for the last two years tbh. I have NO idea what's going on now. Labour aren't positioned to do anything but wait for the tories to tear themselves apart. Now that's happened they hopefully have a cunning plan on how to benefit from it.

What fucking strategy - what is this strategy of yours you would have put in place that Corbyn failed to follow? And you think that you can say how this strategy that you can't outline would have worked? You are a proper say-nothing fantasist.

Corbyn should just shut up and win a general election ffs.

 

[butchersapron]

Ken Clarke and a small smattering of others might.

I do think she'll limp on but wouldn't rule out losing, we're increasingly off the map here.

Why would he, this all going perfectly for him and his type.

 

[Supine]

That's a very bold claim...unless of course you mean that you can only speculate about how you would have liked it to turn out.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Would have / could have - my bad

 

[butchersapron]

Would have / could have - my bad

Well go on and say what is was and how it would have played out.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Would have / could have - my bad

So now perhaps you'd like to explain how what you wanted to happen could have happened; you give some detail on your preferred strategy and how it could have been implemented?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[teqniq]

This, really.

 

[butchersapron]

Stupid nazi.

 

[belboid]

If the alternative is No Deal and still leave, I could see a couple of tories supporting the VONC. Soubry plus a couple of others.

But May will say she won’t allow no deal, so they’ll fold (as she has already, I see). Even tho she is totally incapable of negotiating anything else.

She’ll ultimately have to go with a 2nd referendum now, I think.

 

[Spymaster]

She’ll ultimately have to go with a 2nd referendum now, I think.

This is what's going to happen.

2nd ref > remain > waste of the last 2 years.

 

[belboid]

This is what's going to happen.

2nd ref > remain > waste of the last 2 years.

More likely 2nd > mays shit deal > another two years of shit, imo

 

[Pickman's model]

More likely 2nd > mays shit deal > another two years of shit, imo

Just two more years? You're optimistic

 

[Patteran]

Am I missing something? I cant see the point of a No Confidence motion that can't be won. Was the voting intention of the DUP genuinely unclear until the moment they declared for the government? Is it a step on a path to a second referendum? 'We tried the best option of general election, were denied, so now, with heavy hearts, we aim for a least worst option'. Is there an element of 'this what we do' adherence to parliamentary procedure?

 

[Duncan2]

I expect David Cameron will be on the six o clock news tomorrow telling us what should happen now.

 

[Pickman's model]

Am I missing something? I cant see the point of a No Confidence motion that can't be won. Was the voting intention of the DUP genuinely unclear until the moment they declared for the government? Is it a step on a path to a second referendum? 'We tried the best option of general election, were denied, so now, with heavy hearts, we aim for a least worst option'. Is there an element of 'this what we do' adherence to parliamentary procedure?

The point of no confidence motions is they can be lost

 

[Pickman's model]

I expect David Cameron will be on the six o clock news tomorrow telling us what should happen now.

And so he should if he tops himself on air

 

[ChrisD]

but since the ERG have said (to Laura K at least) that they will be supporting May and the DUP votes have been bought I don't see how the Govt will lose tomorrow....

 

[Supine]

but since the ERG have said (to Laura K at least) that they will be supporting May and the DUP votes have been bought I don't see how the Govt will lose tomorrow....

An opening for Labour to support another referendum?

 

[not-bono-ever]

tories dont allow others to shit in their bed- thats always been the case

 

[butchersapron]

An opening for Labour to support another referendum?

What's your strategy?

 

[Patteran]

The point of no confidence motions is they can be lost

Right. Can - but most likely won't be. They don't have the numbers. So it makes them look weak, her look stronger, & adds another day of pointless procedural braying to wind everybody up even further.

(Unless JC has a joker up his sleeve worth seven votes...)

 

[Spymaster]

They don't have the numbers. So it makes them look weak, her look stronger, & adds another day of pointless procedural braying to wind everybody up even further.

Yes.