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Until now the only definition of "Zoomer" I was aware of was another label for Generation Z. So called because that generation was born into the fast-paced modern world and has known nothing else.
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Until now the only definition of "Zoomer" I was aware of was another label for Generation Z. So called because that generation was born into the fast-paced modern world and has known nothing else.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
This passed me by. In the fast-paced modern world.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Zoomer is Scots slang for mad person.
“Rocket” fulfils the same function.
Its nothing to fo with “ Generation Z”.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
sounds like a lot of / all the accusations against Sivier are turning out to be bollocks :
Zelo Street: Anti-Semitism Smear - Labour Member VINDICATED
Shechemite
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Yeah if you say so fella
Shechemite
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Of course it’s not just antisemitism which ues tolerated in the Labour Party...
“One of the cases, which involved the party’s former group leader on South Lanarkshire council, has dragged on for nearly twelve months.
A party source told this newspaper that a key problem is that disciplinary matters are dealt with at a UK level and there is a sizeable backlog.
MSP Anas Sarwar alleged last year that a councillor, in a telephone conversation during the Scottish Labour leadership contest, told him he could not support him because the country was not ready for a “brown, Muslim P**i”.
Sarwar did not initially disclose the individual's identity, but later named him to party bosses as senior South Lanarkshire councillor David McLachlan.
The councillor, who was suspended, said at the time: “I categorically deny these deeply hurtful allegations. I’m stunned and dismayed at the claims that I would say such things and I will defend myself robustly in the party’s investigation and in any actions that follow.”
However, nearly a year after the allegations surfaced, Labour has not reached a conclusion on the case.
Weeks after the McLachlan controversy, Dumfries and Galloway councillor Jim Dempster was revealed to have made an Islamophobic comment about the then Transport Minister Humza Yousaf.
He told transport officials at a meeting that "no-one would have seen [Yousaf] under his burka".
Dempster apologised and was suspended, but his disciplinary case also remains on the desk of the UK party ten months later.”
Labour attacked over 'shameful' delays in resolving racism allegation cases
“One of the cases, which involved the party’s former group leader on South Lanarkshire council, has dragged on for nearly twelve months.
A party source told this newspaper that a key problem is that disciplinary matters are dealt with at a UK level and there is a sizeable backlog.
MSP Anas Sarwar alleged last year that a councillor, in a telephone conversation during the Scottish Labour leadership contest, told him he could not support him because the country was not ready for a “brown, Muslim P**i”.
Sarwar did not initially disclose the individual's identity, but later named him to party bosses as senior South Lanarkshire councillor David McLachlan.
The councillor, who was suspended, said at the time: “I categorically deny these deeply hurtful allegations. I’m stunned and dismayed at the claims that I would say such things and I will defend myself robustly in the party’s investigation and in any actions that follow.”
However, nearly a year after the allegations surfaced, Labour has not reached a conclusion on the case.
Weeks after the McLachlan controversy, Dumfries and Galloway councillor Jim Dempster was revealed to have made an Islamophobic comment about the then Transport Minister Humza Yousaf.
He told transport officials at a meeting that "no-one would have seen [Yousaf] under his burka".
Dempster apologised and was suspended, but his disciplinary case also remains on the desk of the UK party ten months later.”
Labour attacked over 'shameful' delays in resolving racism allegation cases
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
compelling retort
Shechemite
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What is there to retort? A breathless attempt at defending Sivier, which is framed as ‘a lot of/all allegations against Sivier turning out to be bollocks’
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The article linked to shows clearly how Sivier was attacked unfairly as an anti-semite, and how the allegations against him were unfounded. False accusations like those provide cover for the miniscule number of actual anti-semites in the party. The only person I see being 'breathless' here is you, I'm afraid.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
impressive stuff innit- see also the responses to Shaun Lawson's excellent work vs the weaponisers
Shechemite
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The weaponisers.
Shechemite
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More weaponising
belboid
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Being a gobby prat is annoying, but it isn't holocaust denial. So, no, don't 'fuck him.' Who benefits from him being fucked? It's not the labour left, it's not anyone seriously concerned over anti-semitism. Making martyrs is not good politics. Nor is leaving people to be strung out because you find them annoying.
Shechemite
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The holocaust denial allegations re Sivier
1) were challenged long ago by the ‘weaponisers’ themselves.
2) aren’t the only allegations against him (but they are the ones being used by Sivier and others to assert how ‘unfairly’ he’s been treated)
1) were challenged long ago by the ‘weaponisers’ themselves.
2) aren’t the only allegations against him (but they are the ones being used by Sivier and others to assert how ‘unfairly’ he’s been treated)
Shechemite
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Oh and Shaun fucking Lawson 
belboid
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Could you be a little vaguer please? And point out how this is connected to...anything.
Cos otherwise you're just shouting at clouds.
Shechemite
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Er the ‘Holocaust denial’ allegation is what he got an apology for and what he’s crowing about. You might want to read about the stuff you’re talking about first.
belboid
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I've read about the unjust anti-semitism allegations, and I've heard him ranting, somewhat irritatingly. But unless you can come out with something specific about why he is a scumbag, I think I'll have hard time taking your complaints seriously.
Plenty of stuff in that 'still extant' CAA article that the times based their story on - they just went in too hard and called him a holocaust denier.
When it was pointed out to Mr Sivier on Twitter that he had linked to Mr Atzmon’s work, and that Atzmon had re-posted his writing, Mr Silvier shrugged his shoulders, saying he was “…not all that bothered”.
The left would absolutely benefit from Sivier being persona non grata, same as it's benefited from the likes of Greenstein and Walker being sidelined. No-one needs these liabilities taking up bandwidth.
When it was pointed out to Mr Sivier on Twitter that he had linked to Mr Atzmon’s work, and that Atzmon had re-posted his writing, Mr Silvier shrugged his shoulders, saying he was “…not all that bothered”.
The left would absolutely benefit from Sivier being persona non grata, same as it's benefited from the likes of Greenstein and Walker being sidelined. No-one needs these liabilities taking up bandwidth.
Shechemite
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“We shouldn’t be tarred with the same brush as the racists we refuse to shun” is a pretty pathetic attitude.
If you don’t want ‘the labour left’ to be thought of as tolerant of racism, then, er, don’t be tolerant of racists.
If you don’t want ‘the labour left’ to be thought of as tolerant of racism, then, er, don’t be tolerant of racists.
Shechemite
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Compelling retort.
belboid
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Most of that stuff is shit too tho. The 'quote' from Walker isn't what she said, and the link to RedressOnline was pointing out where an image originated. Yes, he is wrong about Atzmon (tho not quit as wrong as the CAA imply) and that certainly needs challenging. But that is how to deal with such comments, address them seriously and show why he is wrong. Kicking him out of the LP for that would do next to nothing.
belboid
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you're the one making claims, so it is up to you to justify them. You aren't doing.
Shechemite
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Shechemite
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You’re asking me why I think a zero tolerance approach to politicos with racist (or ‘only a little bit racist’) politics should be nowhere near people who live at the bottom of society?
Oh and fuck the labour left. The Labour Party is utterly dishonest when it comes to disabled people
Oh and fuck the labour left. The Labour Party is utterly dishonest when it comes to disabled people
belboid
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You haven't established your first point. You've just copied some right-wing guff. And then completely non-sequitured into disability politics. I'm just asking you to be coherent.
Shechemite
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Which right wing guff would this be?
And er you may want to read the post you linked to, and the conversation preceding it.
The people I’ve mentioned are explicitly targeting disabled people affected by welfare sanctions/cuts and NHS cuts.
belboid
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I have, that's why I'm saying you're incoherent. Your rationale for calling Sivier a racist is taken from CAA, his appearance in the thread comes from nowhere. you have also failed to establish how he targets people affected by cuts. Does he go round there house and shout at them? Has he destroyed disability campaigning groups? He mostly just writes an over-excitable blog from what I see.
As for the conversation that preceded that post, I don't think that did you any favours either.
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