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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

There's a real danger here of the arguments sailing rather close to Israel provokes/explains anti-semitism by its behaviour. Anyone who ploughed through the dossiers of anti-semitism collected and published recently would know that they contain almost wholly utterly classic examples of historical anti-semitic conspiracism - stuff that existed well before Israel did and is almost entirely divorced from political criticism or engagement with the wider issue of Israel beyond using it as cover to mug well meaning lefties and liberals. Israel is not the issue for these people and never was. Jews are. To allow, or even to help, move this to being about Israel is not needed or, i think useful in dealing with types. And it's these types that need dealing with to stop this incessant feed of stories.
 
so 3 years of unending sh*itstorm from every conceivable angle, but 500K members, Momentum approaching 50K, NEC rout again ( adding 3 more Momentum backed candidates, confirming 5 already on it..and Willsman) , everyone finally geared up for #Open Selection's chances approaching conference....NEC meets yesterday, and it seems a ridiculous '30% of CLP Trigger ballot' is being backed instead of Open Sel ( ie : no sitting Lab MP will face an open selection process, ever :

  • Lansman had floated this shite back in spring, Mom finally came out in favour Open Sel last week, but then Lansman again seemed to wobble back to Trigger last week
  • McDonnell opposed Open Sel last week
  • Rebecca Long Bailey did too
  • Corbo + rest of front bench = silent
  • 90 % of Mom branches online = silent
  • len Mcluskey ( previous backer ) = silent


Along with the proposed ammended leadership ballot quota ( 5% of unions / CLps on top of 10% PLP ) ,this cld get v depressing, final NEC meet to 'decide' on sat pre conf.
 
cantsin said:
so 3 years of unending sh*itstorm from every conceivable angle, but 500K members, Momentum approaching 50K, NEC rout again ( adding 3 more Momentum backed candidates, confirming 5 already on it..and Willsman) , everyone finally geared up for #Open Selection's chances approaching conference....NEC meets yesterday, and it seems a ridiculous '30% of CLP Trigger ballot' is being backed instead of Open Sel ( ie : no sitting Lab MP will face an open selection process, ever :

  • Lansman had floated this shite back in spring, Mom finally came out in favour Open Sel last week, but then Lansman again seemed to wobble back to Trigger last week
  • McDonnell opposed Open Sel last week
  • Rebecca Long Bailey did too
  • Corbo + rest of front bench = silent
  • 90 % of Mom branches online = silent
  • len Mcluskey ( previous backer ) = silent


Along with the proposed ammended leadership ballot quota ( 5% of unions / CLps on top of 10% PLP ) ,this cld get v depressing, final NEC meet to 'decide' on sat pre conf.
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So does open sel get voted on at conference or is it only whats put forward by the NEC that gets voted on? In all honesty I know sod all abut how internal party structures work, except in vague terms. As my head had it the conference would be voting on matters to do with open selection and second reff/peoples vote/whatever its called this week in save me barnier land
 
DotCommunist said:
So does open sel get voted on at conference or is it only whats put forward by the NEC that gets voted on? In all honesty I know sod all abut how internal party structures work, except in vague terms. As my head had it the conference would be voting on matters to do with open selection and second reff/peoples vote/whatever its called this week in save me barnier land
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It's down to the Conference Arrangements Committee.
 
DotCommunist said:
So does open sel get voted on at conference or is it only whats put forward by the NEC that gets voted on? In all honesty I know sod all abut how internal party structures work, except in vague terms. As my head had it the conference would be voting on matters to do with open selection and second reff/peoples vote/whatever its called this week in save me barnier land
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sound v unlikely that open selection will go b4 conf, in fact this shitty trigger ++ may only get minutes allotted, along with the leadership bollocks ( all of it under the Democracy Review - and because it all falls under rule changes category, no composite motions van be strung together to keep various / relatively close factions happy).


right wing union leaders / crappy Thornberry style 'Corbynites' of convenience ( sounds like a Scandi folk duo) , John McDonnell getting giddy on the whiff of the dream of possible power... heady combo it seems
 
this is shaping up to be a right mess tbh - potentially the whole of the floor, VS Corbyn, McDonnel and the shad cab on the most pressing issue of the conf ( internally speaking )

like of Skwankbox now questioning @OpenSelecction's 'loyalty' to Corbyn, w/o a hint of irony, playing up to the the 'Corbo-Cult' bobbins perfectly
 
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Interesting clash of priorities at the Labour Conference between CLPs and Trade Unions:
CLP priorities ballot results: Housing 297,032 Schools System 233,883 Justice for the Windrush generation 212,612 Palestine 188,019 Brexit 149,172 The NHS 121,487 Welfare System 89,861 Climate Change and Fracking 72,890 Local Government Funding 68,473 Social Care 64,569

Trade Union and Affiliate priorities ballot results : Brexit 1,878,501 An Economy for the Many 1,848,812 Government Contracts 1,845,256 In-Work Poverty 1,845,084 Housing 39,479 The NHS 35,445 Justice for the Windrush generation 29,622 Social Care 9,642 Schools System 7,697
 
The39thStep said:
Interesting clash of priorities at the Labour Conference between CLPs and Trade Unions:
CLP priorities ballot results: Housing 297,032 Schools System 233,883 Justice for the Windrush generation 212,612 Palestine 188,019 Brexit 149,172 The NHS 121,487 Welfare System 89,861 Climate Change and Fracking 72,890 Local Government Funding 68,473 Social Care 64,569

Trade Union and Affiliate priorities ballot results : Brexit 1,878,501 An Economy for the Many 1,848,812 Government Contracts 1,845,256 In-Work Poverty 1,845,084 Housing 39,479 The NHS 35,445 Justice for the Windrush generation 29,622 Social Care 9,642 Schools System 7,697
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Says everything, and what I expected, Palestine, more than the NHS.
 
treelover said:
Says everything, and what I expected, Palestine, more than the NHS.
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Not as much need for constituency parties to put in motions on the NHS when there is pretty much unanimous agreement on labours NHS policy. There is significant disagreement over Palestine, however. It’s been in the news a bit lately. So making sure that even in these IHRA times, that BDS is on the agenda against the apartheid state is highly relevant and important.
 
treelover said:
They are not just debates though, they get publicised and discussed in the media(a bit) so, raising awareness, having social care, which affects millions at the bottom not a good look.
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A bit of air time versus a policy that could actually make a difference. And it wouldn't even get airtime if there wasn't a row.
 
treelover said:
They are not just debates though, they get publicised and discussed in the media(a bit) so, raising awareness, having social care, which affects millions at the bottom not a good look.
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So by the same token Premier league matches are not just matches because they get publicised and discussed a bit in the media
 
Wilf said:
Does it say everything that housing and schools are higher up the list than Palestine in both sections (Palestine doesn't feature at all in the TU section)?
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No, i was referring to the membership, anyway you have no time for the LP, so not sure why you are defensive about them.
 
treelover said:
No, i was referring to the membership, anyway you have no time for the LP, so not sure why you are defensive about them.
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I'm not defensive about them at all. You were saying it was significant that Palestine was higher up the list than the NHS, I was noting that housing and education were above Palestine. In other words, you can't claim that the figures represent the neglect of domestic working class issues.
 
Its fucked up. Our age pyramid is fucked, people working in social care can earn 20% more stacking supermarket shelves (though this is not reflected in the bills) and if you do it yourself you will be on below minimum wage, whilst the number of kids caring for parents is soaring...
 
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Wilf said:
I'm not defensive about them at all. You were saying it was significant that Palestine was higher up the list than the NHS, I was noting that housing and education were above Palestine. In other words, you can't claim that the figures represent the neglect of domestic working class issues.
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treelover isn't saying anything about domestic working class issues in general, and his posting record suggests that he's not much interested in them.

He's simply complaining, yet again, that the priorities of the Labour movement, whether measured by motions at LP conference or attendance on demonstrations, don't match his own personal priorities.
 
gosub said:
Its fucked up. Our age pyramid is fucked, people working in social care can earn 20% more stacking supermarket shelves (though this is not reflected in the bills) and if you do it yourself you will be on below minimum wage, whilst the number of kids caring for parents is soaring...
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I was very surprised that social care and in work poverty wasnt higher in the CLP section
 
andysays said:
treelover isn't saying anything about domestic working class issues in general, and his posting record suggests that he's not much interested in them.

He's simply complaining, yet again, that the priorities of the Labour movement, whether measured by motions at LP conference or attendance on demonstrations, don't match his own personal priorities.
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Absolutely fucking bizarre, i have spent my political life fighting on working class and basic issues, where do you get this from? If anything I have been criticised for it, because i have little interest in identity politics which frequently dominates these boards, even if some deny it,.
 
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