Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Supine]

And while it may look like they're doing nothing but sitting there and taking the blows, this staggers article suggests Corbyn has had a very busy summer campaigning in marginals.

Jeremy Corbyn’s two universes

Interesting article but he really needs how to talk to the press. The vast majority of voters still make their decision based on who they see on the screen.

On the anti semitism issue I don't think I've seen a single labour politician rubbish the idea of racism and immediately go into the reasons why the Israeli government deserve condemnation. Sitting on the fence won't win them voters on this issue.

 

[killer b]

The surname Kinnock has a ring to it.

#(Labour)Party-Like-Its-1983.

he isn't on the soft left.

 

[killer b]

and really? there is literally no chance of kinnock getting in. he'd make liz kendall look like a massive win.

 

[butchersapron]

Interesting article but he really needs how to talk to the press. The vast majority of voters still make their decision based on who they see on the screen.

On the anti semitism issue I don't think I've seen a single labour politician rubbish the idea of racism and immediately go into the reasons why the Israeli government deserve condemnation. Sitting on the fence won't win them voters on this issue.

1) That's what you said and what led you to expect a labour wipeout last time

2)??

 

[imposs1904]

he isn't on the soft left.

And after he was elected in '83, neither was his Dad.

 

[imposs1904]

and really? there is literally no chance of kinnock getting in. he'd make liz kendall look like a massive win.

I was joking, btw.

 

[belboid]

Interesting article but he really needs how to talk to the press. The vast majority of voters still make their decision based on who they see on the screen.

Which screen? Vast numbers will see nothing, or next to nothing, on the TV and get all their info from Facebook.

 

[Toast Rider]

Are you a Labour Party member?

no

 

[Supine]

Which screen? Vast numbers will see nothing, or next to nothing, on the TV and get all their info from Facebook.

Yeah, not sure how that works with floating voters and the bubbles people surround themselves in on social media.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, not sure how that works with floating voters and the bubbles people surround themselves in on social media.

You're not sure just how your entire point would work?

 

[killer b]

It's not like we have a very recent election campaign and general election result we can look to for ideas about how that works.

 

[danny la rouge]

no

No, nor am I. I suppose we'll have to wait and see what they end up doing.

 

[butchersapron]

Can someone ELI5 the whole "Labour is anti-semitic" thing; I haven't really been paying attention. Is it simply conflating criticism of Israel with criticism of all Jews, or is there more to it than that?

Can anyone do this - i can't right now.

 

[killer b]

Can anyone do this - i can't right now.

sure I will.

hey Buddy Bradley - yeah, there's more to it than that.

In short: The Labour left has a load of conspiracy theorists and antisemites in it's ranks, which it's failed to deal with and is now biting it on it's arse, and Corbyn has made various (at best) mistakes about things he says and people he's hung out with, which are being dragged out by his enemies over the summer recess.

It is being used for factional purposes by people who want him out: but there are also a load of cranks who need booting, and who have had too free a time of it up til now.

 

[butchersapron]

Ta.

 

[killer b]

It would be useful to have a primer for posting when that question comes up tbh. Seymour did a decent article for Jacobin in the spring which I was using up until the summer, but it's well out of date now...

 

[danny la rouge]

sure I will.

hey Buddy Bradley - yeah, there's more to it than that.

In short: The Labour left has a load of conspiracy theorists and antisemites in it's ranks, which it's failed to deal with and is now biting it on it's arse, and Corbyn has made various (at best) mistakes about things he says and people he's hung out with, which are being dragged out by his enemies over the summer recess.

It is being used for factional purposes by people who want him out: but there are also a load of cranks who need booting, and who have had too free a time of it up til now.

I had assumed Buddy Bradley was just sarcastically taking the piss out of TopCat's post.

 

[not-bono-ever]

According to the standard , gape of Ilford is ready to jump over racism/ anti semitism. I have never heard of this one.

 

[agricola]

According to the standard , gape of Ilford is ready to jump over racism/ anti semitism. I have never heard of this one.

When you hear of him, you will wish to be back in the times when you had not.

 

[danny la rouge]

According to the standard , gape of Ilford is ready to jump over racism/ anti semitism. I have never heard of this one.

Gapes? Chair of the foreign affairs select committee.

Got a link?

 

[butchersapron]

According to the standard , gape of Ilford is ready to jump over racism/ anti semitism. I have never heard of this one.

I have. He was twinned with my CLP when i was in the party. We did some leafleting on the estate then took him to the pub - the estate's pub - he shat himself. Wanted out in 20 minutes and keys to the organisers door.

 

[butchersapron]

Odd given how thick he was giving the big city east end accent when he turned up.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't much agree with this bloke but, this one by one slinking off is a sign of defeat

 

[not-bono-ever]

Gapes? Chair of the foreign affairs select committee.

Got a link?

On the train

 

[butchersapron]

I don't much agree with this bloke but, this one by one slinking off is a sign of defeat

But what of the defeat of the others?

 

[Pickman's model]

Gapes? Chair of the foreign affairs select committee.

Got a link?

Never heard of gapes before, can only conclude it's an effort to raise his woeful profile

 

[danny la rouge]

Never heard of gapes before, can only conclude it's an effort to raise his woeful profile

I forget how I heard of him. I think butchersapron probably told me who he was.

 

[Toast Rider]

How successful was Labour under previous leaders at rooting out the dodgy people?

 

[killer b]

Shit, but so what?

 

[treelover]

I don't much agree with this bloke but, this one by one slinking off is a sign of defeat

The political problem with Field is he never outgrew the patricianism that is the true mark of the Tory. Readers may recall his voluntary stint as "poverty tsar" for Dave's Coalition government. During his time chumming up with the Tories (and scabbing on the party), he advocated stripping young men of all social security support if they "refused" jobs, believing it would "build character".

I think this already happens