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I'm a citizen of Hogwarts. Me and Jo, as I call her, are like this* [* does secret hand signal]. I'm mad for the Union and everything.D le R ? ( thought he was Scots)
I'm a citizen of Hogwarts. Me and Jo, as I call her, are like this* [* does secret hand signal]. I'm mad for the Union and everything.D le R ? ( thought he was Scots)
It isn't that hard tbf. Try to be aware of your own biases if you're struggling.it's very hard to tease fact from hyperbole and bias in all of this.
Why have you posted this?The media doesn't look for and report fact it looks for sensationalism.
i see he is all over the Guardian on line this morning. If the Guardian is like that, what's the rest like?
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I was going to post up the main article from there:Why have you posted this?
No - but yes it does.I fully agree, but have to point out ante. Unless that was done on purpose - which sort of fits actually.
Whilst I largely agree with what you are saying here particularly with reference to the likes of Hamas, I get a sense that the wreckers within the right of the party and the attendant media support as ably portrayed by the Gruan et al have somewhat massively overcooked the goose. Maybe I'm viewing events through too narrow a lens on Twitter but I see many people who come across as perfectly sensible and not in the least bit anti-semitic who are totally sick and tired of the whole sordid charade. Corbyn hasn't done himself any favours with past associations etc it's true but this is not really about anti-semitism pre se; it is about threats to the established order even reality relatively mild ones such as are being put forward by the current Labour leadership.I was going to post up the main article from there:
Labour faces shake-up that will make it easier to deselect MPs
The entirely predictable bit is that the guardian are rolling up the anti-Semitism row with demonising Labour left attempts to get reselection and indeed opposition to the whole Corbyn thing more generally. But on the issue itself they've got Hodge referring to his hatred of the Jews (All the leadership can think about is their internal Labour party and their hatred of Jews … Jeremy has allowed antisemitism and racism to run rife. He needs to renounce much of what he did).
As suggested by others on this thread, to me the real issue is one of the 'left' more widely, an absolute blindness to Hamas and others that was present in the stwc and elsewhere. A deepseated cultural problem if you like, but a kind of personal/political immaturity where you don't have to think of the consequences of sharing platforms, facebook pages and the rest with people who are actively anti-Semitic and, just as importantly, oppressive themselves. It's always difficult to make a break with a culture, but that's what Corbyn should have been doing. I don't really see that he gets that, which just leaves him putting out the same statements about opposing anti-Semitism and racism. And of course Hodge's accusation that he actively hates the Jews ups the anti and keeps the whole thing in crisis management mode.
edit: technically, as a form of words at least, Hodge is right to say 'he needs to renounce much of what he did', though it should really be 'they'.
The Syrian refugees want to go home, because Syria is now at peace, and it is safe in most areas, and they could at least get free medical and free education in Syria, as well as work.
I was going to post up the main article from there:
Labour faces shake-up that will make it easier to deselect MPs
The entirely predictable bit is that the guardian are rolling up the anti-Semitism row with demonising Labour left attempts to get reselection and indeed opposition to the whole Corbyn thing more generally. But on the issue itself they've got Hodge referring to his hatred of the Jews (All the leadership can think about is their internal Labour party and their hatred of Jews … Jeremy has allowed antisemitism and racism to run rife. He needs to renounce much of what he did).
As suggested by others on this thread, to me the real issue is one of the 'left' more widely, an absolute blindness to Hamas and others that was present in the stwc and elsewhere. A deepseated cultural problem if you like, but a kind of personal/political immaturity where you don't have to think of the consequences of sharing platforms, facebook pages and the rest with people who are actively anti-Semitic and, just as importantly, oppressive themselves. It's always difficult to make a break with a culture, but that's what Corbyn should have been doing. I don't really see that he gets that, which just leaves him putting out the same statements about opposing anti-Semitism and racism. And of course Hodge's accusation that he actively hates the Jews ups the anti and keeps the whole thing in crisis management mode.
edit: technically, as a form of words at least, Hodge is right to say 'he needs to renounce much of what he did', though it should really be 'they'.
, I get a sense that the wreckers within the right of the party and the attendant media support as ably portrayed by the Gruan et al have somewhat massively overcooked the goose. Maybe I'm viewing events through too narrow a lens on Twitter but I see many people who come across as perfectly sensible and not in the least bit anti-semitic who are totally sick and tired of the whole sordid charade. Corbyn hasn't done himself any favours with past associations etc it's true but this is not really about anti-semitism pre se; it is about threats to the established order even reality relatively mild ones such as are being put forward by the current Labour leadership.
It's true that there is hype, opportunism, and smear. But Corbyn has been crap on all fronts. He's crap at dealing with the smears; crap at refuting the equation of criticism of the Israeli state with antisemitism; and crap at dealing with the actual antisemitism.Yeah.
The only people I know in everyday life who are biting at this are those whose never vote Labour, nevermind Corbyn, and who jump on board any anti-Labour campaign.
Most people I talk to see an obvious smear campaign and are sick of it. If anything shoring up the Labour vote.
Leaving the very real issue of Corbyn et al's willingness to lie with dogs hangng as people recoil from the crude smears and obvious politico careering that we see daily in the news.
It's very wearying.
How does it weary you?Yeah.
The only people I know in everyday life who are biting at this are those whose never vote Labour, nevermind Corbyn, and who jump on board any anti-Labour campaign.
Most people I talk to see an obvious smear campaign and are sick of it. If anything shoring up the Labour vote.
Leaving the very real issue of Corbyn et al's willingness to lie with dogs hangng as people recoil from the crude smears and obvious politico careering that we see daily in the news.
It's very wearying.
Perhaps this bit (from the observer link):Reading elsewhere there are claims motions to Conference to allow members of the SWP to join Labour are being made, mischief making? can't find evidence, it would be a disaster, not just over Comrade Delta, but who they are and how they work.
I'd be interested to see precisely what the game is with this - allowing members of specific groups in? Allowing expelled people back - or just keeping up the flow of Corbyn supporting new members? A lot of this though sounds like stuff the Corbynites should have been doing a year ago.One of the most contentious proposals, put forward by five local branches, would scrap a rule put in place when the party was fighting the hard-left Militant group in the 1980s. This makes it an expellable offence to “support a political organisation other than an official Labour group”.
Party insiders said that scrapping the rule would open Labour membership to people in hard-left political organisations such as the Alliance for Workers’ Liberty.
Shudder.Would be a big boost for the anarchists for labour faction though.
Most people I talk to see an obvious smear campaign and are sick of it. If anything shoring up the Labour vote.
How does it weary you?
Having spent a year trying, that resonates massively.The monotonous drone of the smear campaign.
The grinding dispiriting reminders that the Left is fucked and full of people I want nothing to do with.
Oh, I agree, I was just wondering what was the intention of those CLPs putting these rule changes forward.There ain't no flow. People like this have been in since the start - all 4000 of them.
Letting these people in is def not they should be doing or even having on their radar. I suspect it won't get past arrangements or whatever it is.