Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Voley]

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I would have had that as a tagline but its too long, unfortunately.

 

[StigoftheDig]

Can I just take this opportunity to say fucking fuck the fucking Daily fucking Mail.

 

[Humirax]

 

[JimW]

Can't accuse them of being beetrootless cosmopolitans

 

[Plumdaff]

Atzmon is beyond the pale even for the kind of anti-semite (I think) butch is talking about. It really is like quoting Icke

I think it's reasonable in some contexts to quote antisemites in a discussion about antisemitism, especially when a large part of the discussion has involved making very clear what constitues antisemitism - there are screenshots of antisemites using antisemitic terms on this thread, discussion of antisemitic terms etc - but I agree that he's fucking vile.

 

[Knotted]

Atzmon is beyond the pale even for the kind of anti-semite (I think) butch is talking about. It really is like quoting Icke

It's a matter of knowing the enemy. That's all.

 

[bimble]

Just out of interest, i don't know who these people are that call themselves Socialist Fight, but they have no problem with Atzmon.
See wordy rant here:Anti-Marxist fulminations in ‘Labour Against the Witchhunt’: A reply

 

[belboid]

Socialist Fight (ie Gerry D) are so shite they were even kicked out of Labour Against the Witchunt (Tony G run organisation) for being anti-semitic cunts. They say anti-semitism isn't racism because jews are too wealthy and too powerful.

 

[butchersapron]

Just out of interest, i don't know who these people are that call themselves Socialist Fight, but they have no problem with Atsmon.
See wordy rant here:Anti-Marxist fulminations in ‘Labour Against the Witchhunt’: A reply

That piece has to Ian Donovan. The group contains Ger Downing - expelled from Labour for supporting ISIS (on the same basis as many of the left-wing anti-semites btw - anti-imperialist bullshit). It's where the rejected dregs end up and shouldn't be taken as representative of the wider left. They are central to LAW (people expelled from labout for anti-semitism mostly) - Greenstein etc - who have themselves split over the question of if the anti-semitic atzmon is anti-semitic.

edit: as b. already said above

 

[Fingers]

Corbyn: "I'd like to meet with you"
Board of Deputies: "We don't want to meet you"

Jewdas: "We'd like to meet you"
Corbyn: "Great, I'm free"

Board of Deputies: "You are meeting the wrong Jews"
Corbyn: "Would you like to meet?"
Board of Deputies: "No"

Matt Thomas @Trickyjabs

 

[andysays]

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I really hope the beetroot was one that JC provided from his allotment.

 

[butchersapron]

But they are meeting.

And the BOD said 'we'd like to meet you' first didn't they - which was then opposed from the leadership as it entailed conditions the BOD wanted that they didn't then accept. Something like that.

 

[teqniq]

Have they agreed to the conditions?

 

[butchersapron]

Have they agreed to the conditions?

Writing to the JLC chair, Jonathan Goldstein, and BoD president, Jonathan Arkush, Corbyn said he accepted the organisations’ agenda for the meeting.

“I place no limitations on the points you would wish to raise and am happy for the agenda to cover the issues you’ve already outlined,” he wrote.

 

[teqniq]

Hmmm not exactly then not at least from the way I read it when it was initially reported.

 

[butchersapron]

Hmmm not exactly then not at least from the way I read it when it was initially reported.

Surely saying that they now accept the agenda for discussion that they had previously rejected is doing just that? It doesn't mean agreeing to all the things the BOD etc proposed happen though - i.e an external body subject in part to them.

 

[teqniq]

Like I said, not exactly.

It sounded to me from the reportage I read that they were pretty much dictating terms that were preconditions that had to be met before they would agree to meet. I am guessing that they felt that they were speaking from the moral high ground or at the very least a position of strength in this instance but it was and is not a good look imo. Not that my opinion amounts to fuck all lol.

 

[Pickman's model]

Socialist Fight (ie Gerry D) are so shite they were even kicked out of Labour Against the Witchunt (Tony G run organisation) for being anti-semitic cunts. They say anti-semitism isn't racism because jews are too wealthy and too powerful.

of all the people on 'the left' i've met, gerry downing is the foullest. and that's up against some quite stiff opposition, e.g. weyman bennett

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Just out of interest, i don't know who these people are that call themselves Socialist Fight, but they have no problem with Atzmon.
See wordy rant here:Anti-Marxist fulminations in ‘Labour Against the Witchhunt’: A reply

From that article:

“Responsibility for this (holocaust denial) belongs to those who use the Holocaust to justify the Naqba, and with no-one else.”

No, responsibility for holocaust denial lies principly with holocaust deniers. Imagine if somebody said ‘responsibility for anti-Muslim bigotry belongs to radical islamists and no-one else”. Absurd.

 

[J Ed]

If they love ISIS so much perhaps they should go and join them.

 

[8ball]

I'm sorry I paid good money for some of his records before I realised what a prick he was.

Never thought you cared much about the politics or morality of the artists in your record collection.
I mean, for a really long time Ruddy Yurtz was practically a Nazi.

 

[StigoftheDig]

That Jewdas site seems to have done very well out of all this, they're now celebrating having the same number of Twitter followers as the Board of Deputies, nearly seven times as many as they had when this all kicked off.

 

[danny la rouge]

Never thought you cared much about the politics or morality of the artists in your record collection.
I mean, for a really long time Ruddy Yurtz was practically a Nazi.

You raise a fair point. It is a bit of a movable feast. Mostly I manage to keep the music and the musician completely separate. More often than not I have no idea what an artist's personal views are. But when I do, there's a sliding scale of tolerance. But frankly Atzmon's music isn't important enough for me to have to work at ignoring his views.

 

[Brainaddict]

That Jewdas site seems to have done very well out of all this, they're now celebrating having the same number of Twitter followers as the Board of Deputies, nearly seven times as many as they had when this all kicked off.

Considering they seem to like winding people up, fighting fascists and good left wing memes, the Daily Mail et al have basically given them everything they could possibly want

 

[Cloo]

I find it interesting that RW press have taken the line that Jewdas’ seder is ‘mocking’ or satire that insults Judaism. To me that betrays a complete misunderstanding of the nature of it, for non-orthodox Jews at least (and even for them it is still supposed to be a time of discussion and reflection). As I’ve been saying on social media today, many non-orthodox Jews have political seders – based on feminism, immigrant rights etc, and add objects to the seder plate concerning these. So I see it as totally legitimate that Jewdas have one in keeping with their anti-capitalist, anti-Israel stance if they so choose.

Also even if it’s not political, plenty of families (mine included) have jokes, criticism of source material and general silliness as part of their seder. That doesn’t mean its cynical or mocking, that’s how we celebrate the story of Exodus.

 

[rekil]

Atzmon is beyond the pale even for the kind of anti-semite (I think) butch is talking about. It really is like quoting Icke

Hold my beer.

Spoiler

e2a: Atzmon is also a regular sidekick of Beeley a literal nothing who nevertheless is one of the main sources for 'anti-imperialist' talking points on Syria.



That freak filled site celebrated its 100th radio show by having Icke on, so there's an example of the convergence of red-brown-conspiraloonism which Corbyn is himself enmeshed in.

 

[Kaka Tim]

i definitely think that corbyns enemies have massively overplayed their hand (again). the initial story caused a fair bit of pain for labour, but the likes of staines, the mail and john woodcock piling in to lecture him on meeting the wrong type of jew, plus shit like the newsnight backdrop farago just further cements the narrative of the establishment being out to get him.
Which will unite waverers behind corbyn and leave a good many ordinary "non political" (as in not avid politics nerds) people shaking their heads and wandering why they hate him so much.

 

[bimble]

I find it interesting that RW press have taken the line that Jewdas’ seder is ‘mocking’ or satire that insults Judaism. To me that betrays a complete misunderstanding of the nature of it, for non-orthodox Jews at least (and even for them it is still supposed to be a time of discussion and reflection). As I’ve been saying on social media today, many non-orthodox Jews have political seders – based on feminism, immigrant rights etc, and add objects to the seder plate concerning these. So I see it as totally legitimate that Jewdas have one in keeping with their anti-capitalist, anti-Israel stance if they so choose.

Also even if it’s not political, plenty of families (mine included) have jokes, criticism of source material and general silliness as part of their seder. That doesn’t mean its cynical or mocking, that’s how we celebrate the story of Exodus.

Yep, far as I know it’s a central part of the whole thing to have debate of some kind at the table that night. The one i went to had someone happily arguing why the whole exodus story which we're supposed to be celebrating is a useful myth.

 

[Whagwan]

Well they're definitel winning the meme game :

 

[tommers]

I've been enjoying following them on twitter. They seem like a lovely bunch.