Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[belboid]

Some interesting stuff in the latest polling of Labour members - What we can learn from new polling of Labour members | LabourList

"Supporters of Corbyn’s leadership are likely to have joined the party more recently, belong to social grade C2DE (working class/non-working) and come from outside of London. You’d be forgiven for assuming the Labour leader is more popular amongst younger members or those who voted leave, but the differences in those respects are insignificant."

Which rather contradicts the 'he's only attracted the young middle-classes' line

 

[YouSir]

Some interesting stuff in the latest polling of Labour members - What we can learn from new polling of Labour members | LabourList

"Supporters of Corbyn’s leadership are likely to have joined the party more recently, belong to social grade C2DE (working class/non-working) and come from outside of London. You’d be forgiven for assuming the Labour leader is more popular amongst younger members or those who voted leave, but the differences in those respects are insignificant."

Which rather contradicts the 'he's only attracted the young middle-classes' line

That line never got off of the ground to start with, never saw anything to back it up beyond a myopic eye on the young middle classes who've always been around the Left. It's still a favourite trope though, up there with 'Snowflakes' and man hating Feminists so it won't be going anywhere.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

(quote)

Not to mention that Corbyn has agreed to meet with mainstream jewish organisations like the BoD and the JLC but they refused to meet with him unless he agreed to a set of unreasonable preconditions. So Corbyn meets with other Jews (who he may have had prior arrangements with before this scandel became news) and gets denounced for meeting an unrepresentative group!

I can also imagine the headlines if he had not attended the event: “Corbyn refuses to meet with Jews!”

 

[killer b]

Those headlines wouldn't have happened. In part because there's no way jewdas would have grassed him up to the press if he'd turned down their invitation.

 

[teqniq]

This is worth a read.

Enough is Enough! – Jewdas

 

[ViolentPanda]

Of course Trissy Hunt coming out and saying he's still a member but is now a floating voter (that's a membership-revoking offence) and really wishes we had a Macron over here, with plaintive cries for D Miliband or Sadiq Khan to found the new party that will save us all. They're all such fucking tone deaf and unintelligent arseholes.

Trissy-wissy is certainly a floater, just not the type he thinks he is, the little turd.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Momentum is a great idea in terms of mobilising and coordinating campaigning and holding training sessions - all of which it has done and continues to do. Its membership are almost as diverse as that of the LP in general ('almost' because you're not going to find Progress arseholes there, but neither is it the preserve of the farthest left alone), so you'll have some cranks, but you'll have a majority of regular LP members of all ages. The best way to think of it is as a base of operations for getting activists out. If you think of all the enthusiasm you see online from people who support the current direction of the LP, Momentum helps harness that in ways that your average CLP hasn't been able to do. I'm sure on a local case-by-case basis many branches of it are empty, don't do much, or are holding pens for the more annoying elements out there (frankly like some CLPs), but nationally its organisational ability is a boon for the party and the new ways successful campaigns have to operate these days.

Heh heh. One Lambeth cllr standing down in May is listed in the register of interests on Lambeth's website as a member of both Momentum and Progress. The culprit? Jacko Hopkins!

 

[Gramsci]

This is worth a read.

Enough is Enough! – Jewdas

Thanks for this link. Yes definitely worth a read. On BBC radio this morning heard interviewer implying that Jewdas was out to lunch lefty organisation. This article ought to be more widely read. It's opposing anti semitism and criticising the so called in media " mainstream" Jewish groups who try to close down debate in Jewish community.

With all this issue of anti semitism in news now I was starting to wonder about my position on Palestinian. So went back to re read Tony Judt. I read his excellent history of post war Europe. Then read that his support of One state solution and vocal criticism of Israel government ,as a Jew, had got him into trouble. In the same way as described in the Jewdas article written now.

Went back and re read tonight this article from 2003. Tragically he died of illness a few years back. A great loss imo.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2003/10/23/israel-the-alternative/

 

[mojo pixy]

I enjoyed Jewdas' reaction to the fuss.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I enjoyed Jewdas' reaction to the fuss.

These guys are pretty hilarious. Best thing to come out of this shitstorm for me is finding out that they exist.

 

[ska invita]

Shame they signed the open letter against the London Anarchist Bookfair

 

[imposs1904]

I enjoyed Jewdas' reaction to the fuss.

That is how to write a press release.

 

[Vintage Paw]

That line never got off of the ground to start with, never saw anything to back it up beyond a myopic eye on the young middle classes who've always been around the Left. It's still a favourite trope though, up there with 'Snowflakes' and man hating Feminists so it won't be going anywhere.

The usual suspects still try to roll it out though, e.g. Owen Smith rattling on about 'normal' coffee during the last coup attempt.

 

[Vintage Paw]

These guys are pretty hilarious. Best thing to come out of this shitstorm for me is finding out that they exist.

I understand Butchers' point about some twats thinking this gives them free rein, but I think the opposite is possible as well: Jewdas' work on antisemitism is being highlighted today, and they and others are going to great lengths to reinforce the 'criticise Israel; don't be antisemitic' stuff. In fact I'd say one wholeheartedly positive thing to come out of this, that represents a way to help guide us through it, is by centering left wing Jewish voices who are ideally placed to combat the shit coming from both the right and the left.

 

[Vintage Paw]

That is how to write a press release.

It was a joy to watch Michael Crick read out parts of it verbatim on the news earlier.

 

[Humberto]

Skripal is a distraction to some extent. There could be a Labour left-leaning government. That could establish a new baseline. If carried off with reasonable competence at least, which I expect it will. There is no particular reason why the inpcompetent Tories HAVE to set the agenda. We should. I'm not scared of Russian mischief in the slightest. I suppose my point is that I'm optimistic, whereas others can't really win.

 

[Knotted]

I think there's going to be two sets of people delighted at this latest - 1) the right inside and out of labour who are using the issue to attack Corbyn and, more importantly to me me 2) anti-semites who think they're just anti-zinonist inside and around the labour left/leadership/Corbyn support groups. Their anti-semitic worldview will be be emboldened by what they will see and a nod-and-a- wink from Corbyn and they will have two of their main dishonesties focused on and bolstered - look even jews think like me, how can i then be anti-semitic and see this was always about Israel not jews (look at the the powerful jews disagreeing and attacking). I don't really care about 1) and don't imagine it having any wider damaging outcomes in its own terms but in recent days there had been signs of the acceptance of the need to isolate then remove the 2nd lot whilst undermining those sort of arguments above. I think giving them a boost of any sort - no matter how innocuous the actual thing he did was - is just bad tactics if you're serious about 2).

The 2) are going to be disappointed when they start reading up on Jewdas's previous positions. They're what Gilad Atzmon would call anti-Zionist Zionists. I'm even seeing a trickle of critical comments from this milieu.

 

[bimble]

Guardian's given them space to speak too.
Jeremy Corbyn celebrated Passover with us. It’s a simple good news story | Jewdas
I think this is good, and am happy if this whole story maybe helps to make people think before saying "The Jewish Community' like one homogenous lump that holds certain opinions etc.

 

[belboid]

The 2) are going to be disappointed when they start reading up on Jewdas's previous positions. They're what Gilad Atzmon would call anti-Zionist Zionists. I'm even seeing a trickle of critical comments from this milieu.

Gilad Atzmon? Fuck off. You may as well quote Icke.

 

[bimble]

Gilad Atzmon? Fuck off. You may as well quote Icke.

But but he's a jew so he can't be... oh.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm sorry I paid good money for some of his records before I realised what a prick he was.

 

[Plumdaff]

Gilad Atzmon? Fuck off. You may as well quote Icke.

I read it that Knotted was disagreeing with butchersapron saying that left antisemites who think they are anti Zionist would be emboldened by JC meeting; arguing that they wouldn't agree with Jewdas' politics (and I'd add the emerging agreement with them from many people on the left), adding they'd seen some critical comments from that angle. They were merely using Atzmon as an example of that strain of antisemitism not endorsing him.

 

[StigoftheDig]

These guys are pretty hilarious. Best thing to come out of this shitstorm for me is finding out that they exist.

On a tangent from them I discovered this Yiddish anarchist song, so I was pleased about that too:

 

[SpookyFrank]

Shame they signed the open letter against the London Anarchist Bookfair

I for one wholeheartedly support these outspoken, irreverent people until they outspokenly irrevere something which I think is great for some reason.

 

[bimble]

 

[belboid]

I read it that Knotted was disagreeing with butchersapron saying that left antisemites who think they are anti Zionist would be emboldened by JC meeting; arguing that they wouldn't agree with Jewdas' politics (and I'd add the emerging agreement with them from many people on the left), adding they'd seen some critical comments from that angle. They were merely using Atzmon as an example of that strain of antisemitism not endorsing him.

Atzmon is beyond the pale even for the kind of anti-semite (I think) butch is talking about. It really is like quoting Icke

 

[Doctor Carrot]

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It's.... It's glorious.... I want it on a T Shirt....

 

[teqniq]

 

[belboid]

Talking of t-shirts, I'm not sure where this should go, so I'll put it here:

How Weekly Wanker Became A Global Brand

 

[cantsin]

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Corbo s embittered opponents must just look at this stuff with their head in their hands...

..... winning