Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Pickman's model]

Yvonne believed MOSSAD were hunting her down for an assassination to make political capital out of her fame.

*taps watch*
*holds it to ear*
*taps watch*

they're taking their time about it

 

[Pickman's model]

Yvonne believed MOSSAD were hunting her down for an assassination to make political capital out of her fame.

richard osman tells me that no matter the question, yvonne ridley is always a 'pointless' answer

 

[Bernie Gunther]

i wonder weather there is an element of crying wolf that may minimise the damage this will cause amongst the wider electorate?
Most people would register it as another attack on corbyn, on an issue on which he has been attacked before. They might register that he made a supportive comment about a mural that was anti-semetic. On that level i dont think it will make much difference to weather they vote labour or not. The majority of the population wouldn't get what was offensive about the mural without being told.
The damage will be the aggro this causes between people who support corbyn and are having to change their minds (like many on here) and the denialists. The more i think about it the more i think it reflects very badly on him - it makes him seem a bit thick and to have no awareness about how the whole conspiracy theory sub-culture (which - as his response to the nerve gas attack demonstrated - he gives too much credence to) is shot through with virulent antisemitism. Or worse - he doesn't care.

From a PR point of view, I’m fairly sure this is aimed at demotivating activists or potential activists ahead of the local elections, rather than at the general public. Hence my question above.

 

[rutabowa]

i wonder weather there is an element of crying wolf that may minimise the damage this will cause amongst the wider electorate?
Most people would register it as another attack on corbyn, on an issue on which he has been attacked before. They might register that he made a supportive comment about a mural that was anti-semetic. On that level i dont think it will make much difference to weather they vote labour or not. The majority of the population wouldn't get what was offensive about the mural without being told.
The damage will be the aggro this causes between people who support corbyn and are having to change their minds (like many on here) and the denialists. The more i think about it the more i think it reflects very badly on him - it makes him seem a bit thick and to have no awareness about how the whole conspiracy theory sub-culture (which - as his response to the nerve gas attack demonstrated - he gives too much credence to) is shot through with virulent antisemitism. Or worse - he doesn't care.

I never really saw myself as a "Corbyn supporter" anyway; what I support is a lot (not all) of his vision of the labour party's positions. So it doesn't really change a great deal for me; I still agree with him on the things I agree with him on. The whole cult of personality thing was always a bit embarassing, so if this curbs that a bit then maybe it is a good thing.

 

[rutabowa]

No doubt he has already changed the party for the better, but maybe its time they had a leader who is a bit more left wing.

 

[bemused]

There comes a time to stop poking a sore tooth:

 

[teqniq]

 

[DownwardDog]

Who the fuck are JVL?

 

[Pickman's model]

Who the fuck are JVL?

Jewish Voice for Labour • A network for Jewish members of the Labour Party.

why not try google yourself next time?

 

[butchersapron]

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Schneider has turned that bit of hypocrisy from an easy yes, corbyn has stuff to answer as do others, including those asking the questions into corbyn has nothing to answer or deal with because some people asking questions do have stuff to answer.

The idiocy of the thing.

 

[andysays]

Who the fuck are JVL?

Jewish Voice for Labour, apparently

 

[DotCommunist]

i see skwawkbox have as usual a well judged take on everything...

 

[DownwardDog]

Jewish Voice for Labour • A network for Jewish members of the Labour Party.

why not try google yourself next time?

I'd rather steal your surplus labour.

 

[killer b]

Schneider has turned that bit of hypocrisy from an easy yes, corbyn has stuff to answer as do others, including those asking the questions into corbyn has nothing to answer or deal with because some people asking questions do have stuff to answer.

The idiocy of the thing.

TBF to Schneider he has been critical of Corbyn elsewhere the last few days. Though of course, this is going to be the screenshot that's shared everywhere.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd rather steal your surplus labour.

one day you'll need to find something out urgently, it'll be 3am and everyone else will be asleep, and you'll find your search skills have atrophied beyond repair.

 

[Mr Moose]

I think it is a more tricky and subtle issue to fix than your depiction suggests; it probably requires constant vigilance and openness to criticism to eventually evolve away from.

I dont want a political party I give my support to deal with issues by just "commissioning a report and moving on"! I want feel proud of them!!

Of course the report shouldn’t be flim flam, an excuse to do nothing in the future. But it’s reasonable to suggest it should have fully understood the problem, clearly indicated the way forward and inspired confidence that it would happen.

Otherwise it’s just a report and public cynicism grows further.

 

[bemused]

one day you'll need to find something out urgently, it'll be 3am and everyone else will be asleep, and you'll find your search skills have atrophied beyond repair.

Who are you kidding, you'll be up

 

[butchersapron]

TBF to Schneider he has been critical of Corbyn elsewhere the last few days. Though of course, this is going to be the screenshot that's shared everywhere.

Even more reason for him to do it right then!

 

[killer b]

I think this thread (quite a good one) is a better reflection of Schneider's position

 

[Pickman's model]

Who are you kidding, you'll be up

yeh you're probably right, i'll watch the meltdown with amusement.

 

[butchersapron]

I think this thread (quite a good one) is a better reflection of Schneider's position

Can't really disagree with anything he posted there. Pity that the above piece gave the loons and deniers something to share around though. They won't be sharing any of the later stuff you/he posted i bet.

edit: though many of the comments posted by others depressingly bear out the worst fears

 

[teqniq]

Schneider has turned that bit of hypocrisy from an easy yes, corbyn has stuff to answer as do others, including those asking the questions into corbyn has nothing to answer or deal with because some people asking questions do have stuff to answer.

The idiocy of the thing.

I broadly agree with comments on here to the effect that either/or a) he's been more that a little stupid not to see the message in the artwork b) if he was aware and chose to overlook it, it's really fucking stupid. This however does not imo detract from the hypocrisy of the producers of 'Today'.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Incidentally, i read a piece in the new issue of Dissent the other day that i mean to pass onto you. It's a generally risible piece but one that introduces an interesting idea - what we are seeing is not the rise of conspiracy theories but conspiracism: "Conspiracism is not new, of course, but the conspiracism we see today does introduce something new—conspiracy without the theory." I think the article misses the target of this in its rush to defend expert and governmental legitimacy but think the idea can be prised away from that. A manner of viewing the world, a total perspective but one not based on specifics, no specific theories but "epistemic polarization".

It was kind of an interesting idea but their perspective is a bit skewed with respect to causes and effects perhaps,

The consequence of conspiracism is not simply distrust; it feeds the assumption that the government is staffed by those who are actively hostile to the common interest

The alienation arising from a justified perception that neither party is reliably acting in their interests is a major reason behind the growth of conspiracism. It’s therefore arguably an integral part of the territory of both Corbynism and Trumpism.

ETA bouncing train, apologies for edits.

 

[butchersapron]

It was kind of an interesting idea but their perspective is a bit skewed with respect to causes and effects perhaps,

Yes, that's what i thought was risible but the idea could have legs if prised away from and put on a proper casual and chronological footing rather than jumping in the middle of a ongoing process and assuming it's the start point.

 

[RainbowTown]

This matter may well have far reaching effects for Corbyn and, more importantly, The Labour Party in general. Don't be surprised if further revelations start seeping out. What a mess, what dirty, unattractive, distasteful mess it all is.

And Corbyn and his dumb cohorts have only themselves to blame. Entirely.

 

[bemused]

This matter may well have far reaching effects for Corbyn and, more importantly, The Labour Party in general. Don't be surprised if further revelations start seeping out. What a mess, what dirty, unattractive, distasteful mess it all is.

And Corbyn and his dumb cohorts have only themselves to blame. Entirely.

I don't think will care in two weeks.

 

[killer b]

I dunno, I think there's a chance it may be a watershed moment in it actually being tackled. As butch said upthread though, electorally insignificant.

 

[cantsin]

Surely the point is that its the de facto informal coalition corbyn is now in with the people who aren't sensible and have only half a brain - the mural painter, the various holocaust deniers and anti-semites he's been seen associating with - that is going to do the damage. Of course it's not going to be the sensible non racist ones.

The core of the Lab Party associated anti semitism comes predominantly from the Post Anonymous / Occupy / Anti NWO crew, as they've fallen in behind Corbyn online ( for a variety of reasons, up to and including his lifelong support for the Palestinian struggle) -

But it's not reasonable to claim they're part of any coalition,'de facto' or otherwise - that implies a two way relationship,which doesn't exist. And whilst some of these gonzo's may swell online numbers to some degree, their numbers aren't that big, they're just amplified signifcantly by the usual suspects desperate to weaponise AS vs Corbyn / the left.

 

[RainbowTown]

I don't think will care in two weeks.

Maybe, maybe not. The only thing Corbyn can be grateful for at this time is that Theresa May is an even more inept leader than him. Crumbs of consolation. Not.

 

[cantsin]

Schneider has turned that bit of hypocrisy from an easy yes, corbyn has stuff to answer as do others, including those asking the questions into corbyn has nothing to answer or deal with because some people asking questions do have stuff to answer.

The idiocy of the thing.

Schneider is no Corbo fan ?