Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
The 'Labour right' seems to have come to mean all the PLP who voted no confidence in Corbyn as if they were one group but it covers a range of people. Some of them are proper committed right wingers - the Progress types - but a lot of them aren't and will probably fall into line. Personally I think 'cowards' as much as 'opportunists' but opportunists isn't wrong.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I find myself in the odd position of hoping that's the case, that they're opportunists, rather than follow Blair's logic of "I wouldn't want to win from the left, even if I could".
JME ennobled so he can be in the shadow cab?
Corax
Luke 5:16
He's looking well confident (and a bit smug) isn't he?
I would too if I was in position.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
A small point, but I wish Corbyn would stfu about possibly becoming PM in a few days. The idea of an alternative queenie speech is good, but pretending he could lead an arrangement of 5 or so parties, that still doesn't hit the magic number, is daft.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
It's having the opp on the ropes and getting the digs in. Might as well. Also, reinforcing the idea that labour under corbyn is a party ready to govern
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
'Here's a chip, look, it's really easy, just open your mouth and eat it. And don't worry about getting greasy hands, you can always wipe them on Boris Johnson's hair'.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I think I heard/read somewhere that they're probably not serious, but to keep up momentum and look like a proactive party they have to show that they tried.
Not entirely sold on the logic, to be honest, but it's a theory.
But in the absence of a deal with DUP (still not 100%) and May failing to get her QS through, Labour will get to try and form a government. The tories can then vote down his QS, and trigger another election... or choose not to. And I don't think they'd fancy their chances going to the country right now.
Fez909
toilet expert
I don't fully understand it, but I think his plan is something along these lines:
TM puts a Queens Speech to Parliament
Labour make an amendment, that contains something to appeal to > 10 Tories/DUPs.
Amendment also includes a no confidence declaration in TM
Amendment passes
Everyone passes the Queens Speech and TM is gone.
JC then can form a minority govt as the next biggest party in the house.
If his QS fails, it's a new election, and JC wins
I don't see how he gets the amendment to pass, but I can see it's a plan. Of sorts
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
^ both plausible ideas. I just think the queen's speech is going to be a safe, beige, tory set of proposals, which won't get voted down. The dup and tories are close to being locked in with each other. Plenty of scope for it to fall apart, but I don't think the queen's speech will be the thing that does it. In fact my bold guess is that the dup-tory thing won't fall apart at all, but that it will ultimately provoke other divisions that Labour can exploit. Anyway... my thing about Corbyn shutting up about forming a govt is a distraction and goes away anyway when the queen's speech is passed.
I don't, he should ratchet up the pressure if anything. It is obvious that Theresa May is on borrowed time and the possibility of new elections is a very real one. Of course Corbyn can't form a coalition with the current set up of this new parliament but the opinion polls that have come out since the election now have Labour as the leading party with a six point lead over the Tories and the momentum of public opinion is also in their favor. Therefore Corbyn is demonstrating that he ready for government and it does a good job of contrasting his strengths with that of May's weakness and the instability that would inevitability result from a Tory-DUP deal.
Also, if new elections are held it is my hope that Labour win enough seats to form a government without the support of other parties as I can't stand the Lib Dems and the SNP and would prefer not to see them in government or any position of power.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Well, he's got to fuck them over at every opportunity and he's certainly got to say he's ready for another GE - in fact he has to push for one if it looks like the dup tory thing is going to collapse. But he's not got to be too trigger happy or he looks like an opportunist, 'putting party before brexit talks' and all that. I mean, to state the obvious, he should do what he wants, I'm not in Labour. Just think he should wait, probably till the point when the tories start gunning for May all out (next Spring/Summer?).
not-bono-ever
meh
labour need to keep their distance from actual government for a little while I think- lots more pus to come out of this wound that they best not handle directly
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh biological hazards
Fez909
toilet expert
Err, no. People keep saying this, but politics isn't a game. If the Tories fuck Brexit up (and they will), then we pay very real consequences, that may be extremely difficult to undo.
Even if the Tories get the Brexit they want, it's unlikely to be in our interests.
Labour need to get them out ASAP. They'll have a shield against any bad blowback in the same way that the Tories did after the 2008 crash. Except this time, the Tories definitely are to blame.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sorry, not having that 2005 malarkey. Benefits Integrity Project was the first "earnest" attempt at welfare reform - enough to cause suicides - and that was '98/99.
Maybe but the sooner Labour get into power the better. For me it's not just abstract politics but an issue of whether my family will have more or less money to live on, housing etc... I have brothers who have special needs, this could mean the difference of whether they get services that they need or not.
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The Fornicator
Active Member
Corbyn is responding to direct questions. What's he supposed to say it was all for a laugh.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
true - imagine it's tactical, but still sounds bit daft / desperate
cantsin
Well-Known Member
get in too soon, and it's just one long battle to keep 170 opportunistic no marks on his own backbenches in line, hold together a struggling coalition, with a v tricky Brexit sitch looming, possibly faltering economy, and every organ of the ruling class ready to stick the knife in, from every angle, at all times = Very little space in which to help effect meaningful change of any sort, if that was even likely anyway, and all this against backdrop of very immediate / visceral hopes of a supporter base anxious for change .
Corbo's a cool cat, but the pressure would be ridiculous .
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Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Er bollocks
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