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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
treelover how was cl a key player? Could it be you're talking shit?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This could have gone in a couple of threads, but here is the present shadow cabinet:
The Labour Party
I get the impression there won't be that much change when he finally reshuffles (aside from Diane Abbot who is still listed). However I'd have thought they need some people who can perform in parliament, rip the piss out of the tories, people who are verbally quick on their feet. Corbyn himself doesn't do that and even the ones who performed well in the campaign (Thornberry, Rayner) are not quite of that ilk. McDonnell is an attack dog, but not particularly sympathetic. I'd have thought any 'reaching out' Corbyn does to the right has to be with a view to getting some effective pitbulls on his front bench, not 'healing the party'. Of those who top the list of people to bring back - aaargh, Cooper - don't really fit the bill. Who else?
Not a pitbull and is in fact an outright traitorous cunt, but I think putting Hilary Benn's unsmiling coupon up against Johnson as shadow foreign secretary would work. There, I said it. Ouch, ouch, OUCH! Don't hit me!
The Labour Party
I get the impression there won't be that much change when he finally reshuffles (aside from Diane Abbot who is still listed). However I'd have thought they need some people who can perform in parliament, rip the piss out of the tories, people who are verbally quick on their feet. Corbyn himself doesn't do that and even the ones who performed well in the campaign (Thornberry, Rayner) are not quite of that ilk. McDonnell is an attack dog, but not particularly sympathetic. I'd have thought any 'reaching out' Corbyn does to the right has to be with a view to getting some effective pitbulls on his front bench, not 'healing the party'. Of those who top the list of people to bring back - aaargh, Cooper - don't really fit the bill. Who else?
Not a pitbull and is in fact an outright traitorous cunt, but I think putting Hilary Benn's unsmiling coupon up against Johnson as shadow foreign secretary would work. There, I said it. Ouch, ouch, OUCH! Don't hit me!
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Actually, even more than him being a cunt, Hilary Benn is ruled out after his Syria speech. That's never going to work. 
But still, if you look down the list of shadow cabinet members, apart from the question of 'who the fuck is that', it's not really a list of high profile, high performers. Needs livening up from somewhere, beyond the half a dozen prominent names.
But still, if you look down the list of shadow cabinet members, apart from the question of 'who the fuck is that', it's not really a list of high profile, high performers. Needs livening up from somewhere, beyond the half a dozen prominent names.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
If only to push the DM into more 'Red Ed's Red Dead Dad' headlines.
Fez909
toilet expert
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Possibly not as important as it once was, but could a Milliband return play into that 'Red fear'? Maybe just presents Labour's enemies with too easy a narrative to spin?If only to push the DM into more 'Red Ed's Red Dead Dad' headlines.
Honestly don't know, maybe it's not really an issue.
Fez909
toilet expert
Not an issue. Milliband is basically Thatcher compared to Corbyn. He's a 'moderating' force, if anything.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
His appointment should be announced at a breakfast meeting with bacon sarnies all round, holding a copy of Parliamentary Socialism - 'There you go DM, make the fuck what you can out of that, you shower of fash supporting cunts'.
Lord Camomile
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I think you're right, but maybe if not attack dogs then... defence dogs? They need to have a few people who can give as good as they get, otherwise you get drowned out in every debate/story.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeah, but that's politics - he needs both. Himself as a kind of President of the party, campaigning and a bit of the old leading, with others doing some of the heavy lifting. Not necessarily full on pit bull, but humour, some good one liners. Snidey with a smile.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
shapps and gardiner on the daily bollotix. Shapps is a fucking bellend.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It's what I loathe about conventional politics, it's part of the dishonesty, but they need to work on their media links as well. The use of social media seems to have been really effective, but now is probably the time to think about a few links back to the print media, even the idea of the rebuttal system they used to have (Campbell?). Certainly don't mean anything like Blair kneeling at the feet of Murdoch, just taking the moment and using the changed mood that's there to get a bit better coverage. The thought of that turns my stomach and if you go too far down that road you end up with Miliband's timidity, but there's probably a chance to improve things slightly.
Do one, it was 2005 when N/L began the welfare reform agenda in earnest, Leslie was a Christian Socialist who were very influential in the reforms.
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how strange his name never cropped up in any of the papers in connection with welfare reform that year.
Corax
Luke 5:16
What's Shami like in parliament? She always seems to do pretty well on the politics programmes.
Personally, I really like the combo of Corbyn, McDonnell & Thornberry.
I think I remember not hating Tom Watson once, before he went full-on 5th columnist - maybe he can be useful now?
Diane Abbott depends on her health - I don't think that was a smokescreen, she was exceptionally sharp once upon a time.
I don't really have a clue who Jon Trickett is... or many of the others tbh
What's Cat Smith like? Shadow Minister for Voter Engagement & Youth Affairs suggests she might have been doing something right, maybe? And getting a better male/female balance in senior positions would be a good aspiration to have.
Personally, I really like the combo of Corbyn, McDonnell & Thornberry.
I think I remember not hating Tom Watson once, before he went full-on 5th columnist - maybe he can be useful now?
Diane Abbott depends on her health - I don't think that was a smokescreen, she was exceptionally sharp once upon a time.
I don't really have a clue who Jon Trickett is... or many of the others tbh
What's Cat Smith like? Shadow Minister for Voter Engagement & Youth Affairs suggests she might have been doing something right, maybe? And getting a better male/female balance in senior positions would be a good aspiration to have.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Yeah, they need to be firmer in defending their record. E.g. one of the reasons Labour lost in 2015 was their failure to defend their economic record. They should have been much more forthright in saying that it was a global financial crisis, Brown did well to keep us out of the euro,etc.
I agree they need to be loud and proud and to exploit open goals (have said before on here that they were missing open goals on rail chaos although putting renationalisation
in their manifesto was a great idea and will have gained them votes).
They need to avoid the sort of thing Theresa May did in her first speech as PM in the HOC, which has spectacularly backfired!
Not rising to the bait and avoid the descent into Flashman style politics has done Corbyn's Labour a lot of good, I think. Maybe ordinary people identify with them more than they do with those who have been through the Oxford / Cambridge Union machine.
One of the things commonly said about political parties is that 'they're all the same'.
A much more radical manifesto and a more respectful style, one that is nevertheless passionate as well as measured and evidence-based, is hopefully proving that they are no longer all the same
she's in the Lords, so it doesn't really matter.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Dan Jarvis might fancy his chances, less vocal in his opposition than some, and his defence background could be used.
ska invita
back on the other side
Unifying the Labour party... What does this mean?
It's one thing for the Labour right to he happy about the result and for Corbyn to keep on eating into Mays lead, but surely the manifesto is kryptonite to many of them. I can't see how that can ever he reconciled... ???
It's one thing for the Labour right to he happy about the result and for Corbyn to keep on eating into Mays lead, but surely the manifesto is kryptonite to many of them. I can't see how that can ever he reconciled... ???
Corax
Luke 5:16
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Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
He has several companies registered in the name of F.Bellend as it happens.
Corax
Luke 5:16
If he can carry on in the same vein as the Marr Show performance he'll pick up a lot more wavering voters.
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Corax
Luke 5:16
I'm not convinced the Labour right actually care that much about the policies, as long as they're electable ones. They'll happily go with a more left-wing agenda if it works for their career agendas. Opportunists.
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