Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[hash tag]

I may not agree with all his policies, but it is a shame to see Alan Johnson standing down.

 

[stethoscope]

I may not agree with all his policies, but it is a shame to see Alan Johnson standing down.

Really? Jeremy Corbyn not up to job of Labour leader, says Alan Johnson

 

[Mr Moose]

I may not agree with all his policies, but it is a shame to see Alan Johnson standing down.

Really? He's like the Alan Curbishley of Labour. Often spoken about, but hasn't done much for a decade.

 

[Mr Moose]

This GE has the highly unusual aspect of the local elections a month before. If Labour do anything but well what for Corbyn then?

 

[killer b]

It'll be a super-low turnout, but I doubt it'll totally reflect people's Westminster intentions anyway - my dad has been out canvassing for weeks and says there's a substantial group who're saying they'll vote Labour locally, but no chance in a general.

 

[rubbershoes]

This GE has the highly unusual aspect of the local elections a month before. If Labour do anything but well what for Corbyn then?

However badly Labour does some people here will never allow any blame to fall on Corbyn

 

[killer b]

However badly Labour does in the May locals, Corbyn is the leader come June 8th. But they won't do so badly in May anyway, I don't think.

 

[kebabking]

An interesting diversion for the politics wonks will be Barrow-in-Furness - the sitting Lab MP, John Woodcock (Maj 800 or so over the Tory..) has said that he intends to stand as the Labour candidate but on the basis that he would not support Corbyn becoming PM...

Quite how this will be resolved - apart from the seat going Tory - is anyone's guess.

(Barrow is home to the shipyard where the nuclear submarines are built and not far from Sellafeild, Tory and Lab are not far off neck and neck, next up, but 12,000 votes behind, is UKIP with 5k with the LibDems just scraping past the thousand votes barrier...)

 

[kebabking]

...But they won't do so badly in May anyway, I don't think.

No, i don't either - the canvassing i did suggested that Labour councils and councillors were seen very differently to the party at a national level - i didn't do much door-knocking for the locals next month, but what i did certainly pointed to 'traditional' Lab voters being very happy to vote Lab locally and less so nationally.

 

[cantsin]

its been touched on elsewhere, but does anyone happen to know what's happening re: the proposed LP rule changes for electing the leader, reducing the the % of PLP noms to get on the ballot from 15% down to 5 %?

ie : do the NEC decide whether this is put before conference ? ( if not, who / what does ?) and then delegates vote the way they've been instructed by their CLP ?

 

[redsquirrel]

I may not agree with all his policies, but it is a shame to see Alan Johnson standing down.

He's filth, fuck the cunt. Says everything that Michael White admires him.

 

[butchersapron]

its been touched on elsewhere, but does anyone happen to know what's happening re: the proposed LP rule changes for electing the leader, reducing the the % of PLP noms to get on the ballot from 15% down to 5 %?

ie : do the NEC decide whether this is put before conference ? ( if not, who / what does ?) and then delegates vote the way they've been instructed by their CLP ?

Did you not join up monty? Is no one telling you?

 

[killer b]

its been touched on elsewhere, but does anyone happen to know what's happening re: the proposed LP rule changes for electing the leader, reducing the the % of PLP noms to get on the ballot from 15% down to 5 %?

ie : do the NEC decide whether this is put before conference ? ( if not, who / what does ?) and then delegates vote the way they've been instructed by their CLP ?

Nothing is happening.

 

[cantsin]

Did you not join up monty? Is no one telling you?

dipped toes in (+ joined), went to a CLP meeting pre leadership election last year, nowt since. But now supposed to be going to meet ward (? v local, at any rate ) bods tonite ( @ local Spoons ) , and tbh, trying to assess lay of land ( ie : the point of it all ) . Lot of low level cog. dissonance involved, of course, but it's like some private ...thing I do . And at least we'll get a pint this time, unlike the last meet in adry hall.

 

[Oops]

How the fruck an she do this? Is there something going on behind my back?

I've as much power to call a snap election as her.

On the ball as ever again, Butchers. What was the last one? Anyone who can't see a Labour majority is politically inept.

 

[butchersapron]

Cracking -re-registered to do this. Stored away in the cesspit of the mind for years. What a life.

And i'm right btw

 

[rubbershoes]

Really? Jeremy Corbyn not up to job of Labour leader, says Alan Johnson

So anyone who doesn't think Corbyn is up to the job should go?

 

[redsquirrel]

How about neo-liberal fucks who supported the attacks on the welfare state, the invasion of Iraq, abstained on the disability bill, support Labour moving further to the right etc etc should fuck off (and hopefully fall under something heavy)

 

[stethoscope]

So anyone who doesn't think Corbyn is up to the job should go?

It was actually just a bit of a passing nod to hash tag saying he doesn't agree with all his policies when Johnson and he seemed to have mostly agreed on one issue which is about the only thing Johnson ever seems to have popped up and had much of a strong opinion about for ages (this thread itself might give you a clue ).

Funny that you jumped on it though

 

[stethoscope]

How about neo-liberal fucks who supported the attacks on the welfare state, the invasion of Iraq, abstained on the disability bill, support Labour moving further to the right etc etc should fuck off (and hopefully fall under something heavy)

Corbyn is the problem though, isn't he @rubbershoes?

 

[stethoscope]

(btw, neither Red Squirrel or I are Corbynites/Labour supporters so no point going down that avenue)

 

[Andrew Hertford]

I do love a good 'Sources inside No.10' yarn.... but just maybe there's a ring of truth to this:

Theresa May 'called snap election to stop Corbyn resigning'

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Labour have been committing the slowest seppuku in history since the move away from Social Democracy toward their own adaptation of Neo-Liberalism in the form of Entrepreneurial Governance.
The pointless if, being the only difference is it would be Labour's kid glove assault on the poor and vulnerable.

Call it a ‘kid glove assault’ if you like, but the funding of services such as healthcare does go up under Labour governments and down under tory ones and they are still the only two choices. Time is running out for a lot of vulnerable people.

At least 2022 is closer than 2025, although obviously it'll give Labour even less time to win back the support they need.

 

[gosub]

Labour Have No Slogan, Key Seats List Or Campaign Budget - Guido Fawkes If true

 

[rubbershoes]

Corbyn is the problem though, isn't he @rubbershoes?

He's got some good ideas but is shit at putting them across.

But the real problem are the Tories . We all want to get rid of them but have different views on how to do it

 

[Sprocket.]

Really? He's like the Alan Curbishley of Labour. Often spoken about, but hasn't done much for a decade.

The two things Alan Johnson brings to mind are:
When promoted to secretary of state for trade and industry his title was going to be, Productivity, Energy & Industry Secretary or PENIS. Then his tirade against trade unions when, I paraphrase, 'The link between trade unions and labour is more a liability than advantage, when it appears as a transaction'.
I bet as a postie he nicked Giros out of envelopes too!

 

[stethoscope]

He's got some good ideas but is shit at putting them across.

But the real problem are the Tories . We all want to get rid of them but have different views on how to do it

That's the thing though, it's not just the Tories - moderate/right Labour are the problem too with their pursuing of the same, but slightly lighter, neoliberalism. And a rejection of Corbyn now will signal the deathknell of any leftward shift of Labour for years. Labour are already lost to much of their working class heartlands through 20 years of neoliberalism and getting it wrong with their referendum positioning. A shift to the right which will inevitably happen if they oust Corbyn will leave them for dead.

 

[DotCommunist]

they like union money but they don't like unions much eh? First time I recall an overwhelming emphatic support message for unions was when Iron Corbz won (1st time). In his acceptance speech after Watson had bored on for a solid half a day. Was pleasantly suprised to see such a thing. Milkwater milliband could only ever get as far as 'the government has provoked these strikes' and no further

 

[treelover]

Momentum seem to be focusing on Farron and his lack of passion for the LGBT cause, not going too well with the wider membership.

 

[butchersapron]

Momentum seem to be focusing on Farron and his lack of passion for the LGBT cause, not going too well with the wider membership.

Are you going to do this for two months?